• AnonTwo@kbin.social
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    11 months ago

    You don’t need to end capitalism to help the climate.

    Just properly regulate it. It’s a tool just like every other economic system, and shouldn’t be hoisted to a higher pedestal. Every system that fails fails because regulation falls off the wayside and leads into corruption. Capitalism’s only strength is it took longer to get there because all the power was spread out for awhile.

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      11 months ago

      That’s a pretty shallow take on historic economics.

      Capitalism had a role to serve as the transition out of feudal economics.

      Now it’s time to do better.

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        11 months ago

        Better as in what though?

        We’ve used every economic system by itself, and the only really successful version is a combination of them with proper regulation. What else do you do?

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          11 months ago

          We’ve used every economic system by itself

          Because a few hundred years with constantly changing technology is an exhaustive test of every possible version of organizing society. Pack up folks, it’s all been tried and only one thing works or will ever work.

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          11 months ago

          Well there was a guy with a funny beard who wrote about what happens when capitalism produces more goods and services than could ever be reasonably consumed by the populace of the world. He wrote about how there were basically 2 coutcomes. Either the the rising supply just keeps pushing prices down until the only issue comes down to a logistics and distribution problem and money functionally becomes pointless and state power doesnt have any heirarchy to enforce. Or the people with money and power enforce artificial scarcity, through tactics like letting crops die in the fields, or only release so many diamonds into the market and promiting it as a good thing, to protect their wealth and power.

    • Rozaŭtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      11 months ago

      You don’t need to end capitalism to help the climate. Just properly regulate it.

      Except that politicians (i.e. those that would be doing the regulating) all have a price, and for oil barons no price is too high; and bribing is still magnitudes cheaper than stopping the destruction of the environment.

      It’s a tool just like every other economic system, and shouldn’t be hoisted to a higher pedestal.

      If it’s not objectively better nor special, why not try something more equitable that doesn’t siphon 99% of all resources to the aristocracy elite and leaves everyone else fighting for the crumbs?

      Why keep using a system that prescribes that the hungry should starve if they can’t afford food even though we already produce more than enough to feed the whole planet?

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      11 months ago

      regulation falls off the wayside and leads into corruption

      And vice versa! Corruption leads to lack of regulation. It’s a shit circular dance that I feel like we’re doomed to repeat regardless of the economic system we pick.

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      11 months ago

      This was the final straw for me to finally get off FB, toooooooo many (unhinged) “friends” quoting PU as facts & citing them as a source. Pure propaganda garbage.

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    11 months ago

    Maybe capitalism needs to suck it up and pull itself up by its bootstraps instead of needing subsidized fossil fuels. /s

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    11 months ago

    Ah yes, because in those glorious worker paradise countries they generate no pollution at all.

    Typical fucking tankie smooth brain logic. 🙄

    In case any of you filthy tankies can actually learn, China is the number 1 polluter per capita.

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        11 months ago

        Originally, it was used to describe those who defended the use of tanks to stop the Hungarian revolution 1956 (i think)

        Now its used to describe those that align with Marxism-leninism (also i think)

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        11 months ago

        Loaded question is going to get loaded answers but:

        Marxist-identifying people who like to glorify oppressive regimes, usually Stalin’s USSR and Mao’s China. Fascists disguised as communists.

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          And what makes you think this meme has anything to do with them?

          You know that tankies are a small minority in global northern leftism?

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          11 months ago

          I could see people who criticize the west being called tankies, but it seems like a reach to infer that criticism of capitalism means praise of whatever China is doing.

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      11 months ago

      Lmao classic political elitist logic: if you’re not going after the biggest problem directly you’re doing it wrong

      Talk about a smooth brain lol

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        11 months ago

        Says the person clearly towing the tankie party line that climate destruction is caused exclusively by the west. 🙄

        Typical tankie strawman approach of misrepresentation and straight up hyperbolic bullshit.

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          11 months ago

          You literally just used an argument from fallacy while bitching about me somehow having set you up for a strawman (fucking where???)

          You’ve made 0 real points, called names, and bitched and moaned. Go back to lurking in your own misery and do the rest of the readers a favor before you cause anymore brain damage

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            11 months ago

            Use phrases like argumentum ad logicam incorrectly. Check

            Projects their own lack of self-esteem. Check

            Makes no points about the subject, just the character. Check

            Yep you are operating at peak tankie regurgitation level comrade. You earn the red star of delusion.

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      Can you provide a source for China being most polluting per cap?

      I know China has more pollution but also they’re the most populous which means they’ll pollute a lot.

      But China is far from most polluting per cap.

      Qatar is #1 With China’s carbon pollution per capita being HALF of that of the USA

      https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co2-per-capita-marimekko?tab=table

      https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co2-emissions-per-country?tab=table&time=2021..2021

      https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-per-capita/