With 30% of its total energy consumption coming from electricity (vs about 18% for the rest of the world) and electrifying “nine times faster than the rest of the world”, China is becoming the world’s “first major electrostate”.

Source: https://rmi.org/insight/x-change-the-race-to-the-top/

  • RedClouds@lemmygrad.ml
    10·
    10 days ago

    It is kind of fascinating to me that yes, the clean energy websites tend to be synophobic as well. But at least they will factually admit that China is ahead of the West in so many ways.

    The first reason it’s fascinating is that the people on these sites still can’t get over their synophobia, even though time and time again China seems to be doing the right thing. It just confuses and bewilders them, and instead of sitting down and really reconciling with that, they just repeat phobic nonsense.

    The second reason it fascinates me is that these are the scientific resources that liberals are supposed to be pointing to to determine where clean energy and the right decisions are being made. And when you point them at these resources they kind of still deny it, like they will say sure China’s ahead, but at what cost, or sure China’s ahead, but they’re still in the authoritarian state. Or China’s only ahead in these ways, but not those ways. Of which they are wrong to say that, but at least this one particular source might not point that out. It’s denialism at its most fascinating.

    I’m sure to a lot of people on here thinks this is obvious, and not really comment worthy, but being a communist for about a year I’m still wrapping my head around a lot of the hypocrisy of the West.

    • OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml
      7·
      10 days ago

      My favourite liberal argument is saying “sure China is doing a lot of clean energy, but they are the number one polluter of greenhouse gases.”

      1. As if the West didn’t export all its polluting factories to China because it was more profitable.
      2. As if China doesn’t have a population of 2 billion and still pollutes less per capita than most of the West.
      3. As if this statistic hasn’t been false for over 20 years now.
      • cfgaussian@lemmygrad.mlOP
        9·
        10 days ago

        1. This is true and is almost never mentioned. Much of “China’s pollution” is actually the West’s outsourced pollution.

        2. China has a population of 1.4 billion, that’s quite a long way away from 2 billion. Still, your point remains valid. China has double the population of the US and EU combined but around the same CO2 output as US+EU.

        3. Unfortunately this is not the case. China remains the country with the largest carbon footprint in absolute terms, though it also has one of the fastest growing green energy sectors, is the largest producer of solar panels by far, and is electrifying at a crazy pace.

        Another thing that is frequently overlooked or purposely omitted are historically cumulative emissions, and in this case China doesn’t even come close to the total CO2 output of the US from 1900 to today. And it only takes maybe three or four major European countries combined to overtake China in this regard.