cost, culture, & convenience are the ones I usually refer. gas station hot dogs are cheap and convenient. turning down family recipes put a social strain related to culture. those are two great examples that cover all three. I’m sure you can imagine more: stopping for a fast food burger on your way to protest at the Capitol, etc.
Meat products are, per kilo, much more costly for their nutrient profiles compared with plant based alternatives. Any time meat is comparable, this is because of government subsidies. There’s a reason third world countries rely on plant based foods, because they’re objectively cheaper.
There are many cultural practises that we’ve left in the past. Culture is not an excuse for doing objectively amoral things. I can’t say it’s my culture to sacrifice children, even if it is.
I’d put convenience under the umbrella of pleasure. If we all lived our life based on convenience, people would drink drive, people wouldn’t care about consent, just because it’s easier doesn’t mean it’s right.
If my morality was based on whether it cause friction with my family, what weak morals I would have? “In this house, we say the N word!”, “okay yes sorry mum, here I go saying the n word again!” Like, stick up for what’s right, don’t crumble because it might upset those who are objectively morally incorrect.
Plant based food is objectively cheaper, culture doesn’t permit amoral acts, convenience isn’t a valid reason to do wrong, and if mild social pressure from family is enough to cause one to act immoral, then those morals were pretty flimsy to begin with.
none of your arguments will hold water with the lived experience of most people. they don’t want to see the disappointment in their grandma’s eyes over something they don’t believe, themselves, to be a just reason for turning down her cooking. they didn’t see a problem with grabbing some food on their way to make the world a better place. your grandstanding is not only ineffective: it comes across as bizarre and unhinged.
but i have an extremely rare disease that forces me to eat dead animals, animals do it too, plants feel pain, a vegan was rude to me 10 years ago, and its not like me paying for farmers to kill animals and thus creating a demand for meat means i have a hand in it!!!
If you have non-meat alternatives that are within your means and provide the same nutritional value, and you still choose to eat meat on purpose, then it is for pleasure. But if you have a specific circumstance that is preventing you from switching to alternatives, then that’s a different story.
I’m not disagreeing with you. My mother has been a vegetarian for decades. She suffers from blood pressure problem and constantly has to go see her doctor. Every time it gets worse she has to eat a small amount of meat to boost her nutritional level, but then she always goes back to being a vegetarian.
If it’s OK for anyone to have a meatless diet, good. If further more he or she does it to save the planet, even better. But not everyone can do so, so I hope those who can do it stop pointing fingers.
Eating meat. It contributes 15-20% of the entire planets greenhouse gasses alone. And people do it just for pleasure. It’s mindboggling.
there are other reasons, and pretending there aren’t won’t help youconvince the people who continue to choose it.
Can you… Provide some of those reasons?
cost, culture, & convenience are the ones I usually refer. gas station hot dogs are cheap and convenient. turning down family recipes put a social strain related to culture. those are two great examples that cover all three. I’m sure you can imagine more: stopping for a fast food burger on your way to protest at the Capitol, etc.
Meat products are, per kilo, much more costly for their nutrient profiles compared with plant based alternatives. Any time meat is comparable, this is because of government subsidies. There’s a reason third world countries rely on plant based foods, because they’re objectively cheaper.
There are many cultural practises that we’ve left in the past. Culture is not an excuse for doing objectively amoral things. I can’t say it’s my culture to sacrifice children, even if it is.
I’d put convenience under the umbrella of pleasure. If we all lived our life based on convenience, people would drink drive, people wouldn’t care about consent, just because it’s easier doesn’t mean it’s right.
If my morality was based on whether it cause friction with my family, what weak morals I would have? “In this house, we say the N word!”, “okay yes sorry mum, here I go saying the n word again!” Like, stick up for what’s right, don’t crumble because it might upset those who are objectively morally incorrect.
Plant based food is objectively cheaper, culture doesn’t permit amoral acts, convenience isn’t a valid reason to do wrong, and if mild social pressure from family is enough to cause one to act immoral, then those morals were pretty flimsy to begin with.
none of your arguments will hold water with the lived experience of most people. they don’t want to see the disappointment in their grandma’s eyes over something they don’t believe, themselves, to be a just reason for turning down her cooking. they didn’t see a problem with grabbing some food on their way to make the world a better place. your grandstanding is not only ineffective: it comes across as bizarre and unhinged.
we’ve been over this: most people don’t think it’s wrong.
we’ve been over this.
i think you meant immoral. as it turns out, culture is a great reason to choose amoral actions, and most people think eating meat is amoral.
sometimes, for some people.
most people don’t think eating meat is morally wrong.
Oh god I didn’t even notice I was replying to you.
Gross, you’re the worst, most bad faith debater I’ve ever had the displeasure of talking to.
You don’t argue in any sense of data or fact, just shitty little retorts amounting to nothing more than “no, actually”.
Don’t bother replying, I’m blocking you across all instances until you get an education, maybe when you turn 18 or something.
oh thank god
there’s no data you’ve presented to discuss
your accusation of bad faith is, itself, bad faith
i didnt say it’s right. i said it’s a reason people choose meat.
this doesn’t change the fact that, for some, in some situations, it is a better source of calories-per-dollar
Some people would look at the oncoming environmental end of civilisation and go “ugh, another VEGAN trying to shove their ideology down my throat”
Legalize cannibalism
What consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is not the matter of the state!
but i have an extremely rare disease that forces me to eat dead animals, animals do it too, plants feel pain, a vegan was rude to me 10 years ago, and its not like me paying for farmers to kill animals and thus creating a demand for meat means i have a hand in it!!!
What? Meat provide like 90% of my protein intake. What are you suggesting here? Stop living?
Oh yeah, you are doing fine just by eating vegetables. I don’t.
And no, I don’t eat meat to have pleasure. I eat it to live.
If you have non-meat alternatives that are within your means and provide the same nutritional value, and you still choose to eat meat on purpose, then it is for pleasure. But if you have a specific circumstance that is preventing you from switching to alternatives, then that’s a different story.
I’m not disagreeing with you. My mother has been a vegetarian for decades. She suffers from blood pressure problem and constantly has to go see her doctor. Every time it gets worse she has to eat a small amount of meat to boost her nutritional level, but then she always goes back to being a vegetarian.
If it’s OK for anyone to have a meatless diet, good. If further more he or she does it to save the planet, even better. But not everyone can do so, so I hope those who can do it stop pointing fingers.
Why doesn’t your mother take a vitamin?