I just bought a Toyota and they locked a lot of features behind an app with a monthly fee, absolute fucking pricks. The whole auto industry is going to shit.
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What did they lock behind the paywall?
The main things that bother me are maps, remote start (which can be done from the keys but it’s a pain in the ass). When you start the vehicle a screen comes up that asks you to subscribe for maps, and then Android auto connects like 50% of the time and randomly disconnects when you are driving.
There’s a bunch of other little features that are mostly convenience things, but I bought the vehicle, and I understand they have to run some infrastructure but it’s not much and I could just connect through wifi or Bluetooth and they wouldn’t have to run any infra.
https://support.toyota.com/s/article/Subscription-Plans?language=en_US
Also, it’s $15 a month which is a rip off. If it was $20 a year, thats annoying, but it’s more tolerable. $15 a month to be able to use the maps that are built in is a crime.
The big ass screen is worthless unless I’m using Android auto.
What things are subscription?
Seeing as cars and computers are increasingly shared platforms, where is the car-hacking community? As distinct from the car-optimizing or car-modding communities.
Modern cars, I think because of safety laws and “trade secrets”, can be quite a pain the reverse engineer. It’s notoriously difficult to even interface with any of the chips in any of the onboard computers in the first place, let alone reverse engineer what’s going on and modify it. On top of that some car companies, like Toyota, are starting to add HMACs to all the messages they send on the CAN bus, so even if you did figure out everything, unless you get the signing keys every message will be ignored. On top of that, it’ll void your warrant, which I know some people don’t care about, but for a new car that you are having to depend on, its another hurdle.
where is the car-hacking community?
In jail
“Hack the planet”
You wouldn’t download ecologically friendly things!?
Stellantis? More like Stale Anus
Everytime
Not a word. Nice journalism grad.
What is and is not a word? If it’s being used by writers, and is understood by readers, it kinda is a word.
Linguistics is a desceiptive field, not a prescriptive one.
I’m seeing very simple grammatical mistakes in articles more and more. It’s bizarre. Even if the author makes a mistake, where are the editors? Do we have a shortage of English majors somehow?
It only matters that ads get impressions. That’s it
Lang shift has snuck up on us, tsk.
I can deal with ad when watching TV or YouTube. But ads in the car, even while stopped, is just begging for someone to get killed. Will never even consider getting a jeep. I’m probably gonna have to get a new car in a couple of years and I want something new, but dumb. I want as little smart shit as possible, which is probably not going to be a thing.
There’s still Caterhams and Ginettas.
Although on second thoughts they’re probably not allowed in a country where the inhabitants can’t be trusted with a Kinder surprise egg.
I can deal with ad when watching TV or YouTube.
i can’t! i really hate ads, they’re so loud and obnoxious, they’re like jump scares every time they come on! ugh! this car would be like my idea of a nightmare!
I use ad breaks in vids to answer texts/emails or take a piss or whatever. Intrusive ads that take up entire pages on a site are the worst tho. Those can fuck off.
do you mute them or something? i don’t think i could focus on reading anything with that shit blaring in the background!
I just tune ads out. I got ADHD, so it’s really easy for me to get distracted and completely tune things out. It’s useful in some situations, but mostly sucks lmao.
The ads aside, nothing from the Stellantis family should be on your radar anyway
But I quite like the latest Maserati.
Get an old Jeep 40s-2001 were prim- ya know what don’t get an old Jeep. I don’t want the competition.
How hard up for money could they possibly be? It’s such an insane move.
The best thing about Saint Luigi is that one doesn’t have to endorse an incel eco-fascist like Teddy K to call for “direct action.”
Careful with ol Ted there, all his good points were accidental, dude bombed university offices because he heard a plane fly over in the woods.
“Wanna be furious every time you stop?”
“BUY A JEEP.”
*BONUS ongoing electrical problems AND rust
Maybe pull the fuse for internet
Wait until Musk gets permission to use their Neuralink chips world wide!
We need laws on how intrusive ads are allowed to be. Advertising is out of control. Personally, whenever I see an ad too many times, I make sure to avoid purchasing that item or anything from that company. You’re trying too hard to sell me junk.
“how intrusive” ?
We need laws to ban any sort of tracking, profile generation, etc.
Bring back contextual ads. If I’m on a gaming website show me a gaming ad ffs.
“You know all those fake games you keep seeing?! We turned it into a real one that you can actually play! Oh, maybe I can get this machine gun!”
Bro, stop. No. Also, fuck you advertisers.
Ban advertising entirely.
Vandalize ads where safe to do so.
But then line stops going up, or *shutters at the thought, it could go down
Cigarette advertising was banned in the US. It famously increased profit because they didn’t have to burn it all on advertising.
Advertising is like nuclear weapons. It’s bad that it exists, harms people around it, and is only needed because the opposition has it. If it disappeared, everyone would benefit, but no one wants to be the first.
Shudders. Shutters are what people used to have in the US to get through the storms. People thought they were cool so a trend spread. Now almost every house has fake ones. Look on the sides of your windows from outside, ever wonder why that shit was screwed in beside the windows?
Ok, honest question: In a world where all advertising is banned, how do I know who makes something I want/need?
Like, is a website you find in a search result an ad? Is putting something in your local Yellow Pages an ad?
Maybe we need to qualify “No advertising” with something?
Ok, dishonest question 😜: In a world where all prostitution is banned, how do I know who will fuck me?
Like, is a website you find in a search result prostitution? Is putting something in the personals section an ad?
Maybe we need to qualify “No prostitution” with something?
/s
No. If you are actively searching for something, and go to a specific place that sells that thing. It is not advertising, the active party is you not them.
The problem is when the active party is the ad-networks, the trackers, the junk pushers.
If I go to a review site, for say lawn mowers, and they say hey brand 1 is great, but brand 2 is better because of ‘reasons’; I am active, engaging in the process. If however, I then go to a site that is about tigers, and brand 3 pushes their ad to intrude on the tiger info…this (in my opinion) is a major intrusion into my private space.
Would you ban television commercials? Sponsored products unrelated to a YouTube video’s content?
I completely agree with you. So tired of pushed garbage ads. There’s just a gray area so the language of a hypothetical “law” would have to carefully considered.
Yes.
Television ads are a grey area, they don’t tend to track you and follow you around in a creepy way.
Sponsored content, is in my opinion very similar to TV ads, the sponsor is the same for all viewer of the vid in a similar way to TV.
They didn’t track before the introduction of cable boxes with phone-home capabilities, at any rate.
Hear hear
True. Also we need to regulated the spaces that the ads can occupie. Or the possibility that “sky is a billboard” might happen becomes too high
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Same here. Also if the add is : giving an horrible child candy / do they think i am stupid talking / ‘real’ examples
Turning everything you use into a fucking ads platform is peak capitalism. Burn it with fire.
everything you
useownConsumer already paid for the damn vehicle. At least market that ad-bullshit as the cheaper freemium rental version and offer a no ads purchase version… They are not at all thinking about the consumer, only about filling their ever growing pockets.
Reason 2378 to never buy a Stellantis vehicle
Just Stellantis doing Stellantis things.
I would never buy a jeep anyways, but thanks for the warning,
I’m not buying Jeeps… But harder now.
It ain’t right.
But i also don’t get why people are still buying Jeeps? Most cursory search while doing research for a new vehicle should bring up red flags quick.
They wave to each other! Owners of Jeeps wave to each other, as if you say, “look we’re both suckers together.” Look up Jeep owners waving.
They give each other ducks…
You’re making the mistake of viewing a car as a reliable means of transport and not a way to show off how cool and rugged you are.
It’s a kink thing you wouldn’t understand
So… masochism?
No, that’s an engine knock
