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    francesca fiorentini called it Alligator Auschwitz, which i like because it keeps the alliteration while conveying the concentration camp idea.

    edit: i heard it from her first but many leftists seem to be calling it that; my bad.

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    THEY’RE SELLING MERCHANDISE LIKE IT’S A GODDAMN AMUSEMENT PARK! HUMANITY HAS FAILED! WE ARE A FAILED SPECIES AND WILL PROBABLY GO EXTINCT FROM THE SELFISHNESS AND GREED OF A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE POPULATION

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      I’m convinced this place is designed to kill people. I mean, they defunded noaa, cancelled FEMA, and built a hastily constructed, non-storm rated facility and dropped it in hurricane alley. It’s already flooded once.

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      People died in concentration camps too - they are still distinct from death camps. There may be death camps in the near future, but there aren’t yet.

      Concentration camps are bad enough as is, and calling facilities like Alligator Alcatraz concentration camps has the advantage that it’s the truth - they check all the boxes in the concentration camp definition checklist. If you make stuff up for dramatic effect your argument is no longer factually correct - which means it can be disputed using facts.

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    Not for the first time in American history, but hopefully for the last time.

    People give me shit for getting hung up on specifics, but remember that the majority of Germans really didn’t know what was going on at the camps till the very end of the war when they were shown film evidence of camps being liberated.

    The literal card carrying nazis tried to hide it better than what is happening now, when members of the party openly “joke” about feeding 65 million (the number of Hispanics, not immigrants even if legal were included) to alligators, there is no logical reason to believe they’re being honest about what is really happening there.

    Alligators have stomach acid strong enough to dissolve bone, it takes a while (months?) but eventually there will be no trace of a body. They could literally be tossing them in a swamp to dispose of bodies and because of how shadowy arrests have been, I doubt they’re keeping good records of inmates.

    People are going to disappear

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      People give me shit for getting hung up on specifics, but remember that the majority of Germans really didn’t know what was going on at the camps till the very end of the war when they were shown film evidence of camps being liberated.

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      but hopefully for the last time

      That’s what they said last time. “Never again” etc.

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      Hey sure, “didn’t know” but that’s a low bar. How about “could easily have guessed” as the basic standard for morality when death camps are involved?

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      This is also pretty much incorrect. They might not have known specifics or scale necessarily, but if you read interviews RIGHT AFTER the war, pretty much everybody in German territory at least knew someone who had been dragged off to a camp, at gunpoint usually, and their house and possessions put up for auction literally within a week. After two or three of these, you get the message.

      They knew, by and large, that these people were not coming back. These concentration camps were outside Germany, but many, if not most, Germans figured it out for themselves. Many were simply willing to put it aside because Depression Weimar was like Revolutionary France, and people were willing to take the first strongman that came across and said “hey I KNOW how we need to fix this, and it starts with THOSE GUYS whose fault it all is”.

      The film evidence was for the core of the core of the empire - Berlin, Munich, etc, where your average citizen might’ve been afforded protection from the watching the nice Goldschmidt family marched out of their house, and for posterity so people couldn’t do what people in the US were already trying to do with the Native American genocide and chattel slavery.

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    AND IN THE DAYS FOLLOWING THE OPENING OF THE CONCENTRATION CAMP CNN WAS FOCUSING MOST OF ITS ATTENTION ON THE TRIAL OF FUCKING P DIDDY

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      IKR? Puff Daddy is the kind of artist I generally could care less about since forever, and yet, it’s nearly impossible to escape knowing some amount of detail about his propensity for lube or that NazYe showed up to his trial.

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    The disillusioning thing, besides the grim, efficient-looking guards and their rifles, was in the faces of the prisoners. Under a smiling sky, there was not a smile in the 2,000. They looked sour, grim, sullen, sad or merely apathetic.

    Gee, can’t imagine why.

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    Those who deny life and liberty to others don’t deserve it themselves. They should all keep their oath to the constitution or they should die fighting against it.

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    Call it something that implies the administration collectively has small penises. They seem to be insecure about that.

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        Unfortunately, the Nazis were only removed from power by an external military force much greater than them. Even after the war was utterly lost and the Allies were closing in on all sides and literally turning their cities into heaps of rubble, the Nazis never lost their chokehold on Germany. What external power is coming to remove Trump and his cronies?

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    Where is united nations organisation ? Why are they not saying anything against USA policies ?

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        Yes, they can veto, but others should at least be going on the record and REQUIRING the US to use its veto.

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        This is some of the stupidest shit I hear on a regular basis. All my childhood, we were taught the phrase ‘checks and balances’ and then you come across shit like this. No one thought about any one of the UN powers becoming a problem? Does no one plan for these systems designed to prevent abuse to be… abused? “Sorry. Can’t tell them to stop the genocide. Go ask your mother.” Complete enabling bullshit.

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          The US simply would not join it it could not veto the security council. Same goes for the other permanent members. So there is no plan because powerful nations don’t want there to be one.

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      The UN has no power against the United States. The UN was setup to favor western powers and ideally prevent them from having direct war with one another again. Until the US bombs another Western country in the UN there is so reason to look to the UN for anything but empty condemnation.

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      oh boy the UN sends another strongly worded letter.

      the UN is just a dog and pony show, they have no power at all, anywhere.

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    And like the Germans in WW2, the Americans are also starving and beating these people, but they’ve outsourced that shit to nations like El Salvador to obscure the atrocities.

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      Behind the Bastards did a good piece on the arguable complicity of the Times in the Holocaust over journalistic “neutrality”.

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    Wasn’t “concentration camp” a euphemism, too?

    I mean, most people know people are not doing any “camping” at such a place, but…still.

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      No.

      Camp means encampment. Which refers to temporary or light shelter, usually for a group. And the term “concentration camp” is from the 1800s.

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        Concentration camp did indeed start as a euphemism but it’s not the “camp” part that was but the “concentration” part.