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      Anarchists: derail and explode the trolley

      Communists: seize control of the trolley, build a new rail line that runs over the capitalists

      Liberals: applaud the trolley for killing fewer minorities than they believe it potentially could have in other situations

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    I’d really love for these types to explain why dems being anti-genocide was a bridge too far, despite it being the thing that would’ve won them the election by their logic and, y’know, being the morally correct position.

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      Because these people put their own well being above all others and see the genocide as an inconvenient footnote that shouldn’t decide the election and therefore their own comfort.

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      Imagine being so gung ho about Isntreal despite its ramoant global unpopularity but then eventually it’s revealed that they’re not going around threatening the Samson option every day and the average congressperson really did just have a price tag ~14k

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      Because you must always vote for the lesser evil and you don’t have the luxury to think about the long term consequences. This is THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF ALL TIME GOD DAMMIT!

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    Anyone trying to relitigate the 2024 election who’s premise isn’t that the Democratic party leadership completely and totally failed is not a serious person. Pure grade A 100% USDA certified slop right here

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      This is basically all that needs to be said. The Democrat establishment has both failed to protect and actively worked against the interests of all working class people in America and around the globe.

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    Budgeting of “benefits” is done by the Congress, not the President, under Democratic Congress, it was the ‘evil’ Sinema and Manchin who shut down everything, under Republicans, such excuses are not needed. There’s never enough votes somehow, no matter how much control Democrats have.

    The Congress has the power to expand the Supreme Court too. Will Dems do so if they win next time both the legislature and executive? No they won’t.

    Btw, Bill Clinton was infamous for eliminating welfare.

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    Libs love going “white ppl do this” when plenty of black and non-white ppl do/believe in/agree w the thing theyre complaining abt

    Using POC as tokens who are assumed to agree w u as opposed to stupid white (insert group ur complaining abt, usually leftists, women or trans women) is ofc racist

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      There is something sinister about how it is an accepted argument against any invocation of morality and an ethical framework that such is the purview of whites.

      You see it in vegan/vegetarian discourse a lot, where its just assumed only white people can be opposed to animal cruelty in spite of all evidence. Black people in the US being more likely to be vegan simply does not matter to the assumption that only white people can care (And of course the assumption is always that all interlocutors are American), even when black people manifestly are more willing to take a moral stand, they are assumed to not be moral actors.

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    The Supreme Court being fucked dates back to RBG refusing to retire and Obama bowing to Mitch McConnel (edit: yes its been fucked longer than that but I mean the current iteration of fuckedness). Even if you believe that the American system is democratic, you literally can not blame this on “white leftists”, after all the only candidate that was even entertaining the idea of doing something to fix the Supreme Court was the one that “white leftists” were super behind, Bernie - Biden had four years to pack that court and he didn’t do it even though most libs fully believe that the current court is illegitimate…

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      Honestly pretty funny that Obama and RGB and McConnell were instrumental in creating this moment and none of them are leftists by any reasonable measure and only one of them was a white man.

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      Yeah if only the Kamala campaign had actually attacked him on the Epstein connection instead of never mentioning it, barely mentioning his numerous SA charges and instead going with 37 (or whatever the stupid fucking number was) counts of financial fraud and vaguely calling him a “fellon”

      Libs pulling this revisionist bullshit and pretending like they gave a shit about Epstein before last year and before that didn’t think he killed himself and that anyone asking any questions was Qanon is really pissing me off

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        I remember feeling like my brain was fully falling out of my head as we were stewing in COVID lockdowns and I was learning shit like how Maxwell’s yacht the Lady Ghislaine was bought by so and so and blah blah blah all this shit.

        It was out there for so long

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        Ah but there lies a flaw in your post. The Democrats(The good guys) have decorum and care about optics. They would have been polite about being racist pedos!

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    Well yeah? That’s fucking accurate. We don’t want to participate in that fucked up system we want to fucking destroy it. The system is OBVIOUSLY fucked up if the libs literally recognise that those are the two choices the system produces. They admit to it.

    There’s a crucial piece missing to this and it’s the fucking bomb we want to place under the rail car while liberals frantically grab at our arms to try and hold us back.

    EDIT: Insisting that communists are all white is going to make marginalised people despise liberals more and more as time marches on and the left grows.

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      Don’t get me wrong, the logic on display here is foul, but I don’t buy into the idea that standing by and letting an evil thing, that you could prevent with a completely infinitesimal effort, happen, is meaningfully “better” than doing it yourself.

      If option A is “victim on main line, subject fails to pull lever” and option B is “victim on branch line, subject pulls lever” I don’t think subject B is any different from subject A, both of them bear full moral culpability.