Judge did not want to limit the boys’ chances to grow up and become Ambassador to the US.
Jesus Christ they’re all like 13-14… This is absolutely some parental neglect/abuse situation. Either that or these kids are fully brain rotted by manosphere stuff with no ability to actually process it.
Guarantee they’ve got Tate content in their social media activities.
The right are blaming this on “lefty” judges. If the left is guilty of anything it’s the complete and total failure to provide a competing version of male self-improvement content, instead the left has completely given young boys to the right who teach them that taking what you want by force and dominating others is peak masculinity.
Providing a positive version of male self-improvement only plays into the rigid gender roles we want to abolish.
Instead of self-improvement we should promote community bonding, perhaps with emphasis on young men and boys, but ultimately inclusive of all genders, because it’s exactly a lack of community that drives them into the hands of manosphere predators.
Maybe it does but I’m convinced it’s better than the alternative of young boys being turned into supremacist domineering [removed]word for SA.
Even church choirs are doing more than the left to provide an alternative education, culture and community to the manosphere for 14 year old boys.
“I feel that man-hating is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class hatred against the class that is oppressing them.”
– Robin Morgan, leader of the American Women’s Movement. Hostility towards men is a perfectly natural consequence of fear of the violence of men (like the crime in this story) causes and should be accepted.
So they’re going to restrict and monitor their social media access, right
the only mention of social media in the article is in reference to sharing video of one of their attacks
Yeah and like uh not to be like “stone me to death” but I don’t think wanting to show leniency to the perpetrators here is necessarily out of “sexual assault is okay and we hate women here” and more out of “they’re literally children, there is no good course of action here”
that being said holy shit they’re being way too fucking lenient. 10 year restraining order? Try lifetime, what the fuck? That’s not even about punishing them, it’s about protecting their victims, why should it ever expire. Less than two years, three years rehab, not even in a juvenile prison? Oh my fucking god. They should be in custody in rehab at least until they’re adults and then at least a few years probation after that.
I really hope i’m wrong but this is such a slap on the wrist I fully expect them to do it again if not worse
There also needs to be a major investigation into the parents and their online activity. This is definitely a case of neglect that they somehow allowed their children to get away with this multiple times and post about it online.
You do have a responsibility for your child’s actions as a parent, and letting their behavior become this depraved at this young of an age is terrifying.
1000000% agree
This is an uncomfortably topic to talk about, but a lot of sex crimes against minors are committed BY minors. SkipIntro’s video on Chris Hansen goes into detail about it (cw: for sexual abuse and suicide).
According to him, a lot of experts think it’s mostly just that minors in this age range do have sexual desires, but lack the maturity to communicate them, understand bounties or control urges. Which is why a lot of experts say the best preventative measure is sexual education and parents being willing to discuss these uncomfortable topics with their kids.
Which is why I kinda get the judges decision of “I don’t really know what to do because they’re literal children”, but that can’t be the end. There needs to be serious investigation into why they did this and how they were allowed to get away with it.
Ideally a situation like this would help motivate societal change about how we educate and interact with young boys, and find out what circumstances the boys were put in that allowed them to develop this sort of antisocial behavior.
You don’t fix the problem by saying boys will be boys, you fix it by finding out why you keep having to fucking say that.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
It’s probably both… even if it’s not traditional abuse, many parents just espouse their own beliefs without the context required for a young person to process and understand. Then the child ends up being force-fed the same ideology via YouTube from a guy whose goal is to provide context with a bias that makes it easier to adopt the ideas.
provide context with a bias
This is very well put. Is this your own formulation or where did you pick it up?
Thanks, that was all me.
I feel like this is essentially what these grifters do to socially engineer the opinions and beliefs of their fans/followers who already have an incoherent benign version of the ideology swirling in their heads.
Yeah. I had an experience I think about all the time. Imma try to make it as short as possible.
This was years ago, maybe ~2010, and people were not as attuned to nazi stuff, and far right views were still pretty fringe. People were a bit less polarized and def less politicized.
I went to visit my friend and meet her new boyfriend. He dressed edgy, just her type. We hung out, nice guy. I’m def the type to some weed and get in long convos about philosophy, history, religion. And that’s what we did.
He asked if I liked jazz and I told him I listened to a lot of Mingus, Coleman, Sun Ra, Coletrane. He asked if I’d ever listened to Mahavishnu Orchestra, I said I hadnt, and he put on Birds of Fire, which is a very good 70s rock/jazz fusion album.
Then he started telling me about the ancient Christian gnostics. He said they believed that there was an evil creator god that made the material world that did not realize he was born from another greater, a source. Jesus was the son of the actual “source” and this other, creator god, believed that he was the real god, called the Demiurge. This story stuck with me.
About a year later, my friend broke up with him because she found out he was an actual Nazi. My friend is a queer feminist, had no idea, until one of his old friends came over to their house and started talking about liebenstraum, race science, blood and soil, 14 words type shit. The story stuck with me still.
Years later, after learning a lot more about history, ancient religions, fascism, damn near everything – I finally stumbled on some more context to his story: the gnostics hated the Hebrews. The Demiurge and the ancient man-faced- snake-god Glycon are very closely related, and the myth of the Demiurge was a way of the Gnostics discrediting the Hebrew god YHWH. Since the gnostics rejected the material world, they of course rejected the god that had created it in myth.
So that’s the story of how a Nazi tried to prime me for antisemitism by tricking me into listening to white jazz and talking to me about ancient creation myths.
Holy crap…
That’s insane… but yeah, considering how long ago this was (relatively), it makes sense how covertly he was seeding these ideas. Nowadays it’s a much dumber version of that, but still the same theme and intention. The goal is still to commandeer pre-existing ideas or interests and try to force it to be viewed through their absurd lens.
Well it doesn’t help that the ideas available to commandeer often already have nationalistic, hetero/cis, white, legalist, idealist views on how things work. We also have to account for hegemony, that these views are being promoted by major media corpos, people with complaints about it are let go and replaced with Bari Weiss. It isn’t just ideas in the abstract, it is material and practical. Grifters push these ideas but gradual changes in peoples lived experiences validate these new ideas. Not saying the ideas are true, but that peoples conditions are illusory as well.
Like just because it is a grift doesn’t mean the conditions for it aren’t ripe. Ideas can be structural, like language.
Not trying to correct a view, just elaborate a bit
Totally! I appreciate the conversation and not taking it any other way.
Also really starts to make sense why they target young people who haven’t had the education, life experience, or honestly just brain development to critically analyze the world view they were conditioned to have by all those sources.
Since he was a nazi, I’m glad you and your friend dodged that bullet and he was ejected from her life. That said, nothing about what he was telling you strikes me as inherently nazi or fascist. Was he actually trying to convert you to ancient Christian gnosticism (which I think would be weird even for a nazi)? Talking about the demiurge is not a nazi dogwhistle or tactic. I mean Matt Christman is well known for expounding on the demiurge! The demiurge is fairly frequently brought up here on hexbear. As an interesting coincidence, the last TrueAnon episode discussed the demiurge.
Later revelations about this person aside, from everything you’ve said about the interaction itself, it just sounds like an interesting conversation you could have had just as easily with a leftist.
Rape culture long predates manosphere. Men have always been like this.
Yeah, but it amplifies it. Here in Brasil there was a very similar sexual assault case also done by teenagers and currently there is a huge increase in feminicide, which as far as I know have been linked to an increase manosphere and “redpill” content.
Just recently too there was a TikTok trend where a bunch of men where posting videos of them simulating proposing to someone (simulating in the sense like when you train a speech alone for example) and them simulating beating their partner, all with the caption “Training for when she says no”.
Even little kids are having access to these contents. It’s an anecdote but a friend of mine told me how a bunch of little kids where saying heinous shit they clearly don’t even understand about his girlfriend. These kids should be eating dirt not saying shit towards women.
Some actual leftist politicians are trying to criminalize these manosphere and redpill contents and I hope it passes.
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This isn’t Brazil, it’s TERF island
Yeah I know, I’m using my country as an example of how harmful the manosphere is. Unfortunately TERF island is not an outlier in this regard anymore.
A lot of this men’s content is about how to improve yourself and be more attractive to women.
I’m sorry, am I misinterpreting you here or are you really saying manosphere content is about “self-improvement” and “looking attractive to women”? Because this is not manosphere content and last I checked were not what these manosphere influencers were talking about at all, that’s merely a curtain to hide their more mysoginistic views they are passing on to their viewers. I don’t exactly know much about the gringo manosphere shitheads, because I already have to worry about the ones in my country, but the ones here are directly inspired by the gringo ones, specially pieces of shit like Andrew Tate.
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“Gringo” is synonymous with “white person from north of the border.” It’s as much a “”““slur””“” as calling white people “crackkker” is a slur lmao (as in “even when used as a slur, it’s not a slur.”).
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No I’m not, we use gringo for non-latine people. It can have a negative connotation when we use against the west like I did here, but it is in no way a slur.
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No please don’t criminalize the criminals. Won’t someone think of their earning power once they take over their dads companies?
Also, alluding to ADHD having any bearing on this behavior is extremely concerning.
I’m not a prison abolitionist
There’s somewhat of a contradiction in the western left on crime and policing. On one hand, you have the maximalist position: that the whole system is illegitimate, that it has been and is used to uphold white supremacy and destroy opposition to capital, “as long as there is a soul in prison I am not free,” etc. On the other hand, real crimes happen, and it offends even leftists’ sense of justice if a serious crime receives no more than a slap on the wrist.
I look at it like schools.
As a state institution under capitalism, they in part serve to uphold the interests of capital. But they also serve a public interest that would still exist under any political structure.The article only mentions the judge wanting to support the removed boys.
Are they doing anything to help the girls and their families to get their lives together? How are they supposed to feel safe in their environment again, when they already face bullying over this, let alone their removeds still being around?
Sorry for all the removeds. I not going to come up for euphemisms. I think we should have content warning around that word, but it really shouldn’t be autoremoved.
TERF island just hates women.
The details of this were so much worse than I imagined.
These are 13-14 year old boys described as ‘cognitively impaired’ and with a ‘limited understanding’. Yeah this whole situation is fucked, but let’s not rush into rageboners. Without a lot more context, I’m not convinced throwing those children in prison would help anyone.
The real frustrating part is that they clearly need a lot more intervention than 18-36 months of supervision and community sentencing. Their home lives need intense investigation and scrutiny, because it doesn’t get this far without being fucked. Having known sexual assault victims who went through the legal process, I suspect the victims need a fuckton more help and support than they’ve been given too.
Southampton crown court was told that in January 2025, the 14-year-old girl had been threatened with a knife after becoming separated from her friends.
Forced to leave her mobile phone and AirTag in a shop so her movements could not be tracked, she was made to walk to a secluded field, where she wasremovedd by two of the defendants as they filmed the incident.
Makes it hard to believe that none of them knew what they were doing.
Surely putting them in prison would help other girls not be raped.
The court heard he had an IQ of the “bottom 1% of his contemporaries” and had been diagnosed with ADHD. Another of theremoveds, also 15, was also diagnosed with ADHD as well as “longstanding anxiety”, while the third defendant, now 14, was described as having a “mild cognitive impairment”.
This seems more like grasping at straws than any truly mitigating factor. ADHD makes you more likely to proposition someone, and more likely to accept a proposition, it doesn’t make you coerce someone into sex. And where does “anxiety” fit into it? Maybe this becomes part of the demonization of neurodivergence.
Someone who is simply mentally dysregulated might go up to someone and start kissing them in public, maybe needing to be pried off by bystanders but still just being a mere body in a situation. Substantial cognitive impairment is like not having a good idea of what sex is or how to approach someone about it.
Instead, there is at least one defendant who identified a victim who had
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been separated from her friends, held her at knifepoint, made her drop off her own devices, made her go to a more remote and concealed location, sexually assaulted her with the assistance of another boy, amd filmed the whole thing.
Identifying an isolated or vulnerable person, using a weapon as a threat, taking to a hidden place, outnumbering/overpowering, filming the whole thing, and having a more elaborate approach the second time around compared to the first time, shows a profound sense of personal agency and culpability. This is a ray pissed, as bad as they get, who needs to be taken out of society until he is reformed.
Also if a BAME adult did the same actions, 100% chance they would get 10+ years imprisonment.
My villain origin story just dropped
