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cross-posted from: https://scribe.disroot.org/post/11516471
Brussels has warned [UK PM] Andy Burnham that Britain would need to raise tariffs on Chinese cars and more closely align with EU trade policy if it wants to avoid “made in Europe” barriers that would hit key exports.
In response to weeks of intense lobbying to secure equal treatment for UK products, the EU told London that its best solution would be to join the bloc’s customs union, according to two people familiar with the matter.
“A customs union would solve most of the problems of ‘made in Europe’,” said an EU official. “And also the question of tariff differences, which leads to fears the Chinese could avoid our tariffs by routing through the UK.”
The “made in Europe” policy is intended to favour EU manufacturers on subsidies and public procurement in an effort to defend the bloc against competition from China.
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“The concern today is no longer a hyper-competitive, globalised Britain on Europe’s doorstep, but a Britain that could become a backdoor into the European market for Chinese goods,” an EU official said.
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At the same time, the UK is pressing Brussels to include its car, chemical and energy supply chains in the bloc’s “made in Europe” agenda, which it fears could exclude British industry from valuable EU subsidy programmes.
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Nissan’s European boss Massimiliano Messina warned this month that the UK risked becoming a “corridor” into the EU for Chinese EVs. “The whole UK has to adjust some of [the country’s] tariff policy,” he said.
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In a sign of rising tensions between London and Brussels over differing approaches to trade with China, the EU this month announced it would monitor exports of titanium dioxide into Europe from the UK.
The EU move came after the UK’s competition authorities cleared China’s largest producer of the industrial whitening agent to purchase a plant in Teesside, north-east England, that went into receivership last October.
“The message is that if the UK doesn’t align in trade, it will lose a lot of access. The EU will protect more against the UK,” said Marie-Sophie Dibling, a partner at law firm Cassidy Levy Kent, which has represented the EU chemicals industry.
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The [UK’s} Department for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade said it was looking to explore deeper co-operation with the EU …
“We always put trade measures in place independently and based only on the UK’s economic interests and those of industry. However, Europe and the UK face many of the same challenges, which is why it is vital we protect trade flows between us,” it added.
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Or EU car makers could just price their cars more competitively? Many European car companies use Chinese parts now, BMW especially, but they’re still charging BMW prices. UK aren’t too fussed about the overall quality of a car, they want good deals and right now Chinese manufacturers are dishing them out. With the cost of living crises looming (energy in the UK likely to go up 20+ percent in Jan '27), it seems unfair to raise prices on cars when the Euro makers could instead slash profits a bit to make their cars a more attractive option.
Or Chinese car makers could stop using forced labour, exploiting their supplier by paying them much later than their European rivals? And the Chinese party-state could stop providing cheap land, cheap loans and direct subsidies to produce overcapacity at large scale (supposedly to bring down the debt burden that has been building an increasingly large risk for Beijing)? That would then be a real competition under market rules that is impossible at the moment.
Well and on top is the rare earth issues… China has ready access to parts needed for Batteries etc so that they can be made super cheap.
This plays also a role, but a smaller one as the rare earth don’t add much to the ability to offer cheaper prices, according to many analysts (such as by Rhodium Group, for example).
But the rare earth mining projects under Chinese control don’t not only raise social (the forced labour allegation also exist in the mining industry worldwide) but also environmental issues. The problem is that China applies very lax ecological standards when it comes to mining in both its domestic as well as China-controlled foreign mining.
Rare-earth mining has devastated China’s environment, as one investigation found some years ago,
In Myanmar, a country where China supports the ruling military junta and that controls nearly 90% of global rare earth processing capacity, the rare earth boom comes at terrible cost to the environment and local communities. A recent investigation suggests that the impact on workers’ health, on the environment and on local communities continue to be devastating.
A similar situation can be found in Indonesia, which is home to the world’s largest Nickel reserves. As 75% of the Indonesian Nickel industry is controlled by China, Jakarta recently changed its policy to prioritize domestic processing so that the country could benefit more from its own reserves. As a result, Chinese firms like Tsingshan, Huayou, and Brunp face output cuts and sunk assets, which led to protest by the Chinese party-state,
Let’s hope Indonesia will prevail in this, and others will follow, particularly in the implementation of adequate environmental and labour protection laws.
Por qué no los dos?
Unfortunately the lack of ethics in most people is meaningless when it comes to saving money. The world has been buying cheap Chinese (and to an extent), Asian stuff for decades. This is nothing new.
Also many Chinese cars are made in Europe, but i cant remember what countries so don’t know if they fall under EU rules.
German carmaker Volkswagen, for example, exited its Chinese joint venture with SAIC in Xinjiang a couple of years ago just because of this. The perpetrator is is China and its carmakers.
No, most Chinese cars sold in Europe are made in China. The number of cars by Chinese brands that are made in Europe are less than 1% of the total production volume in Europe. This is next to nothing compared to Germany producing 21% of cars sold in the EU, followed by Spain, Czechia, France, and Slovakia, all well above China. Even according to Chinese carmakers own forecasts, their combined production volume to be produced in Europe will remain negligible compared to any European brand in the coming years.
Consider me educated.
It’s not entirely that. I am a EU fan but the carmakers have walked into mess themselves. They stopped thinking of the customer and are producing inefficient, expensive anti consumer car offerings and expecting others to adjust for their bad behavior.
How do you think that European manufacturers could do that? Pay their workers less, presumably.
BMW’s profit margin sits around 5 or 6%, so that’s the level of discount you could expect if BMW decided to turn itself into a non-profit… something which seems a bit of an unrealistic ask.
Right. China heavily subsidies.
But so does Germany and they still manage barely a decent car.
KInda agree. The eu bent over to the carmakers too much and now BMW/Merc/VW etc charge high and implement enshittification. Why should we have to pay more to help them?
Let them come to the market.