Transcription: a photo of a shared pathway entrance with a series of steel pipes placed to create very narrow pathways to enter. The width is hard to tell from the angle of the photo, but far too narrow for a wheelchair or bicycle to fit.
I cant figure out what they intend this to do.
Supposedly it’s to keep motorbikes out.
But when your design also forces bikes to be lifted up, cuts out wheelchairs and even fat people…it’s astonishing to me that any government department could think this was OK.
Motorbikes will 100% go round via that patch of dirt next to it.
I reckon (could be way wrong) that you could get a bicycle through by turning the handlebars 90 degrees in either direction so they slip through the thin bit and the bit at the bottom is wider so the wheel could go through as long as you lift it and roll the bike on its back wheel. Thats still really rubbish if that’s the design tho.edit: nevermind, I was looking at it wrong. I don’t think that works.I doubt a wheelchair is getting through there anyway anyhow.
Apparently it’s not finished yet and they might end up fencing it off to prevent going around in the dirt.
If it’s tp keep motorbikes out then it has failed anyway because it stops at the edge of the path, and leaves plenty of room to drive a motorbike around.
They haven’t finished. It will be fenced to the edges.
It’s a very common design on shared walking/cycleways. A bike will fit through the middle, they are pretty skinny. And the one in the OP isn’t finished, then will fence up to the sides so you have to go through it.
they are pretty skinny
The bit I was worried about is that it looks roughly the right height that the handlebars might hit the narrower top part.
Nah most bikes are much higher than those rails. If a bike isn’t (like a kids bike), they can go under the rails on the sides since there’s a sufficient height difference.
I guess fuck prams right
Once you’ve had a bit of experience pushing prams something like this isn’t an issue. They are pretty common around the place. They are needed because there are idiot motor bike riders that drive at speed on the walking/cycling tracks.
How does a wheelchair or mobility scooter get through there?
That’s a very good question. How do they normally get through the two hooped bar type ones?
These ones? You just weave through them.
That’s the sort of thing, but those ones have a huge gap, bigger than I’ve ever seen. The ones at the end of alleyways I’ve seen, the gap is much smaller. I don’t think you’d get a mobility scooter through, and a wheelchair would be a tight fit.
that looks like only kids would fit through
I’ve seen these around a bit. I think the idea is you walk through the side while pushing your bike through the middle. But you can ride through if you’ve had a bit of practice.
They want to keep out motorbikes, though, so they need to be pretty skinny.
Honestly coming from a place where even normal banana bars are being removed from path entrances, I think “they want to keep out motorbikes” is an incredibly lazy reason to have such a terrible and inaccessible design. Police enforcement is the appropriate way to deal with rare cases where someone takes their motorbike onto a clearly illegal path.
As a general guiding principle, even if we ignore the accessibility issues for wheelchairs, fat pedestrians, or more unusual types of bicycles, if your intended design involves expecting cyclists to get off their bike, that is a horrible design. Bike infrastructure should never expect a cyclist to dismount any more than car infrastructure should expect a driver to get out and push.
I think “they want to keep out motorbikes” is an incredibly lazy reason to have such a terrible and inaccessible design. Police enforcement is the appropriate way to deal with rare cases where someone takes their motorbike onto a clearly illegal path.
I have lived in areas where people ride motor bikes in areas supposed to be for pedestrians and bikes. They did it all the time. Some would ride recklessly, others were just riding their mopeds as a quicker path than using the road. It’s not the intent of the path and as a pedestrian it definitely puts you off using the path.
When I’m riding a bike, I haven’t had any issue with these types of bars, you can ride through them once you get some practice. So long as they are only used at entrances and not staggered along the path like your banana bar example then I would rather have them than not.
I have got though these at reasonable speed on my mountain bike (when I was younger), with a very little bit of practice, riding through these is not hard.
No idea about wheel chairs though.
Just dont ding ya fancy stanchions!
