• jcit878@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    aid is good, but we need to stop dancing around and allow provided arms to be used cross border. or maybe itll take the deaths of another 250000 russian conscripts

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      1 year ago

      Aid ukraine people not ukraine government.

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      1 year ago

      Unironically the most logical comment here. Aid to Ukraine is good, but we need to commit and go balls deep. No silly half-measure, attack russia where it hurts, especially those annoying-ass bombers and missile/drone factories.

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        What are you an Army general? I kinda would prefer the government not give any more reason for a nuclear strike by Russia. Which is absolutely where we’re trending if America starts dropping pretenses and begins directly arming incursions into Russian borders.

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          Russia only understands one language: violence.

          They need to be shown where their place is, and NATO’s combined might is more than capable of doing so. Hell, Ukraine with NATO’s leftovers is keeping russia at bay.

          If russia wants to go nuclear, so be it. They’ll be absolutely eradicated, so they won’t strike first.

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            If russia wants to go nuclear, so be it.

            Geez, NATO libs have really gone all in on nuclear armageddon won’t be all that bad actually. I’m sure you think you won’t be sent to the front lines if the US and NATO ends up in a multi front war with Russia, China, India, Brazil, multiple African nations, Cuba, Venezuela, and an ever growing list of other countries.

            Maybe we should just chill out and accept that we live in a multipolar world and work together for common goals instead of fighting pointless wars to enrich the shareholders and prop up capitalism for a few more years before it collapses under its inherent contradictions.

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            1 year ago

            Okay armchair army general, I guess we’re going to nuclear war against a country on another continent that we’ve not technically declared war with because of your expert geopolitical analyst.

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                  Don’t know, and your question is whataboutism.

                  Russia invades its neighbors and acts surprised when other neighbors want to join NATO!

                  If Russia doesn’t want other countries to swing to the west, then all it has to do is stop behaving badly. Easy.

                  Just for interests sake, here’s a map of all the countries that Russia has invaded. It’s pretty telling really.

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                    your question is whataboutism.

                    You are the one who did the whataboutism not me. You replied to my comment that highlighted American bully language by saying that Russia acts like a bully.

                    here’s a map of all the countries that Russia has invaded. It’s pretty telling really.

                    Very interesting that most of those are extremely uncharitable and ignore historical context. For example it ignores that Russia is a much older nation that has gone through several forms, Tsarist/Soviet/Republic. You can’t blame modern russia for things done by the Tsars for example. Italy, I wonder why they were fighting there? 🤔. France, how far back do you have to reach for that one? Belarus, being a soviet state doesn’t count as occupation, you’d have to reach centuries back to make this argument.

                    It’s pretty telling really.

                    It’s pretty telling how dishonest you are. Let’s be generous and say that you can lump the USSR and modern Russia together. If we compare the behavior of Russia VS US since the formation of the USSR, you don’t come out looking good. I don’t even support modern Russia, except critically on the specific grounds of protecting Donetsk/Luhensk/Crimea from Ukrainian fascists, and killing nazis is always great of course. But it’s incredibly tiring to see American hypocrisy on this subject. As if you don’t invade someone every couple years. You only recently pulled out of Afghanistan, you still occupy Iraq, and recently demolished Libya. Shut the fuck up about Ukraine Yankee.

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            Name on state or nation in the world that isn’t rooted in violence and that doesn’t have an army

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        They buy these off china where iphones are made.

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          The US hasn’t threatened to nuke anyone, unlike russia. NATO doctrine states that we’d overwhelm russia with conventional means if they use a nuclear strike first, and russia knows that’s a fight it can’t win.

          Now go fuck yourself, you tankie cunt spunktard.

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              And that country had invaded China, Korea, Thailand, French Indochina, Indonesia (Dutch East Indies), Burma, Philippines, had plans to invade Australia, and committed genocide while murdering hundreds of thousands of people. This does not even consider with the war crimes that were committed against civilians, and the thousands of instances where they use chemical and biological weapons to murder untold numbers of people.

              Japan was a fascist country with an absolutely brutal military that had zero respect for any life. Their military leadership evem attempted to coup to dispose of their emperor after Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nuked, as they did not want the war to end at any cost.

              It’s a little difficult to find empathy for a culture who considers absolute loyalty to the emperor and the military a prerequisite for existence. A culture where you are expected to follow any order, including suicide on a moment’s notice.

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                Did you really just write 3 paragraphs in defence of both vaporizing and radiation poisoning hundreds of thousands of civilians who mostly had literally nothing to do with the atrocities that you speak of? Disgusting.

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                  In a war that killed what, 50 million people? The US and Russia were gearing up to send roughly 10 million soldiers to invade Japan. That would have been far worse. Tens of millions would have died.

                  In fact, to this day virtually every easy Asian nation that suffered from Japanese aggression had blamed Japan for the war and has sought a public apology, for which Japan has refused to give. It is a major sore spot in relations.

                  So yes I did.

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                I find it hard to find empathy for ignorant Americans such as yourself but I don’t advocate murdering innocent civilians with a WMD because your government breaks international laws.