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    Poverty: Same thing for any people of any race the most important part is their ability to get an education that’ll get them out of it while having stability, slavery has nothing to do with it.

    Australia: I live in Australia what are you talking about?!

    Black people are up to 4 times more likely to be accepted in American medical universities due to diversity quotas https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/med.png

    Of course schools teach in the language of the country they are in do you expect them to teach in 5 different languages?!

    It makes sense that the government doesn’t want to encourage illegal immigration.

    So facial recognition doesn’t work on black people but ai facial recognition can discriminate against them?

    Seriously it seems that your taking all this out of your imagination.

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      Of course schools teach in the language of the country they are in do you expect them to teach in 5 different languages?!

      Over here we have schools which teach completely in Danish and hand out both German and Danish graduation papers, we have schools offering native-level classes in Frisian… Frisians don’t really care about more they’ve always been bilingual. Even more so our Sinti, they don’t want to see the language in schools at all but teach it inside the family, they’ve also always been bilingual. Frankly speaking we’re doing more for our autochthone minorities language-wise than we do for ourselves, which would be protecting Low Saxon against the steady onslaught of Standard German.

      But, no, we won’t start teaching whatever Portuguese just because you arrived here recently and speak Portuguese. Best results are achieved when kids learn the majority language in kindergarten, on the playground, in school, while still speaking their parent’s native language at home as that ensures that they’re learning both languages properly. It’s a matter of experience: Back in the 60s Turkish parents were told to speak German with their kids at home and the result was that the kids learned broken German and their Turkish sucks. That’s not just a matter of not knowing those two languages properly as they never learned any languages properly there’s measurable developmental delays.

      Transposing that to America you should have plenty of schools teaching in native languages. Of course don’t mandate everything being taught like that as that would segregate minorities, but things like maths in English and history in Lakota or whatever make perfect sense.

      Circling back to black folks: It’s high time AAVE is recognised as a proper variety of English. None of that “you’re doing grammar wrong”, or (in courts) “we’ll pretend that you speak Standard English thus not provide a translator, then misunderstand you (tenses and aspects be hard) and lock you up based on that”. If a decent number of your students speak AAVE natively it’d also be high time to teach its grammar on a native level, that can happen in ordinary English classes it’s, after all, English.

      So facial recognition doesn’t work on black people but ai facial recognition can discriminate against them?

      Bias in data is always a problem. Take me: I have legs. I’m a man. Supposedly, when I buy trousers made for men they should fit me but all the data that clothing designers have seems to indicate all men are storks so I have to buy trousers for overweight people and then hem ass and waist. And I don’t even fucking work out. Soap dispenser doesn’t work for you because noone ever bothered to test it on black skin? Same shit just affecting a historically oppressed minority. Personally I wouldn’t even call it an issue as it tends to get sorted out very quickly once the bias is spotted, unlike my issue which noone seems to care about because y’all are fucking storks.

      As to the police thing: No it’s really an issue in the US and it’s not systemic racism it’s plain racism. Policy makers know all too well that overpolicing breeds crime yet they do it and then say “we need to overpolice even more because black people do so much crime”.

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        Americans already struggle to teach English to their people and you want to have them teach dying tongues?

        Only 79% of Americans were literate in 2022 from 91% in the 60s

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      And yet black people only make up 7% of med school matriculants. Given that roughly 14% of the us population is black, this indicates a systemic issue preventing black people from achieving a level of educetion to even apply to med school.

      Meanwhile, white people have entry rates as expected for their proportion of the general population, and asian applicants have entry rates twice what you would expect: 12% of the population is taking 22% of the seats.

      These numbers are American, but thats also the country where “diversity quotas” are an issue. What we can see from the outcomes is that the opportunity is given out unequally from the very beginning, and thus even with an entrance process with a bias towards black people, the system as a whole is so biased against black people that half as many are able to participate

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      Poverty: Same thing for any people of any race the most important part is their ability to get an education that’ll get them out of it while having stability, slavery has nothing to do with it.

      Whataboutism. Black people are poor exactly because they descend from slaves. When the slaves got freed, most of them were destined to poverty, and poverty is inherited under capitalism.

      Australia: I live in Australia what are you talking about?!

      About all the aboriginals that went through genocide, both physically and culturally, for about 200 years?

      Of course schools teach in the language of the country they are in do you expect them to teach in 5 different languages?!

      Yes, monolingual countries are mostly a thing only in the western world. Most of the world is multilingual, and it has been for most of human history. And there’s a big difference between having a lingua franca and being dominated by a colonial language.