• Gaywallet (they/it)@beehaw.orgM
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    13
    ·
    3 days ago

    This has been reported on account of Vaush being a ‘problematic creator’. I don’t know enough about Vaush to weigh in here in any capacity, so I’m just going to leave this here as a comment for transparency.

    • trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      8
      ·
      edit-2
      3 days ago

      Thank you for being transparent.

      The context for this clip in particular is that many left-leaning creators are canvassing for the reelection of Jamal Bowman, a member of the squad, and this interview covers an interesting topic that is hardly ever given a spotlight, so I think it makes sense to keep it.

      I had only vaguely known of NominalNaomi and the reactionary backlash that she got for breastfeeding her child, and I think it’s nice that she’s talking about it. In my opinion, removing the video would only serve to keep the topic as a taboo.

      • Vodulas [they/them]@beehaw.org
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        10
        ·
        3 days ago

        I think the issue is the inclusion of Vaush since he has said/done some pretty racist things and his audience tends to dogpile on folks.

        • trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          edit-2
          3 days ago

          I haven’t seen either other those things from Vaush or his community (taking into account that every large following will have some people that are bad), and I think if the other progressive people that made it out there to canvass for a progressive candidate saw it fit to make an appearance with him, I would sooner trust their judgment than other people on the internet.

          But parasocial issues aside: it’s valuable to have trans voices out there. There aren’t enough as it is, and there are even fewer speaking about what NN is. Removing videos like this would feel like a big step backwards, in my opinion.

          • Vodulas [they/them]@beehaw.org
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            7
            ·
            3 days ago

            I mean, he used to rant about how it is OK for white people to say the n word, though he has changed tune on that. He has also miscategorized the land back movement, and called one of his black guests pro-genocide because she dared to talk about black liberation. Oh, then his followers harrased her for it even though she said nothing of the sort. Those are just the things I have personally seen.

            • trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              5
              ·
              edit-2
              3 days ago

              I mean, if we’re digging out problematic things from peoples past, even ContraPoints used to semi-frequently make appearances in Nazi fetish gear in her videos, so I don’t think that’s a useful metric. I say that as a fan of ContraPoints, and creators of varying problematic pasts. It sucks, but given that most left-leaning content creators have put in effort to distance from those kinds of problematic behaviors, I wouldn’t want someone to remove their otherwise helpful videos, or to take away from any advocacy they may do.

              Vaush has had land back advocates on stream to speak on the issue themselves, so i have a hard time believing that he has miscategorized land back. I think it’d be equally ridiculous to remove those videos that discuss progressive advocacy/radical movements, simply because someone that people consider to be contentious is involved.

              I’m entirely uninterested in debating the merits of internet content creators. Most of them, to some degree, have done highly problematic things, but digging up trash from their past (especially when they have changed course) is usually a useless, parasocial distraction. You can not like a content creator without letting your parasocial disdain distract from the good they are doing, like when they are bringing on people to speak about issues that affect marginalized people.

              • Vodulas [they/them]@beehaw.org
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                6
                ·
                edit-2
                3 days ago

                I think you read into something I didn’t say. I never said we should remove this video. I was giving context for the reports mods were getting

                • trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  4
                  ·
                  3 days ago

                  Fair enough. FWIW, I disagree with the mis-characterized “context” you provided, but I’m uninterested in debating that.

                  I just don’t want videos where marginalized people are talking about issues that affect them to be removed, so that’s why I focused on that aspect.