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    Hey friend, in case you haven’t figured it out yet, the Democrat’s whole “war on disinformation” thing that is really just a way to suppress views they don’t like, including left/progressive views, is going to backfire in a major way. If you actually care about your political project you may want to find a way to defend it that doesn’t involve calling everyone you disagree with a “bot”.

    If you really believe that the person you are responding to is a bot, they are probably just a young person who subscribes to left wing meme pages that make these kind of jokes all the time. Dehumanizing your political enemies is a tendency of the worst political movements, not the most just. In fact it wouldn’t surprise me if some of the hundreds of millions of campaign dollars being spent to reelect Biden were being spent on “social media consultants” who go in progressive liberal spaces such as Lemmy, calling people with left-critical views “bots”; not saying it is definitely happening, but there is a ton of precedent.

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        Did you check their post history beforehand? If not you may want to reassess your own perspective. Even if you are correct, there is nothing wrong with what I said except the bit about being a kid young person. The user is def putting work in, but there are people who are upset at the Democrats, and voice those negative opinions more. You probably don’t have many IRL political discussions if you don’t think real people can over emphasize and fixate on certain political forces regardless of what is actually going on. There is a severe lack of political education, and this is one of the side effects; but it doesn’t occur to you to educate.

        If the Democrats fuck this up and lose to Trump, as much as certain people will want to blame it on Russian bots, no small part of that outcome will be a consequence of running a severely impaired incumbent against the existential danger of a second Trump term. And if that happens, the Democrats are done. And as much as I’d like to see the progressive wing of the Democrats form a legitimate worker’s party that could mobilize many disaffected and alienated voters, it won’t be worth it if they all end up getting jailed or murdered by the MAGA neo-freicorps.

        Regardless, the war on information is going to end up hurting working people. People are tired of getting vote shamed 24/7, and being brow-beaten to ignore their apprehension. If liberals engaged with criticism and educated voters instead of shutting down all dissent with paranoid conspiracy theories (even if they are partly true), then people wouldn’t be driven to the kind of echo chambers where these opinions thrive.

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          This kid is 54 and has been fighting against capitalism and it’s mouthpieces their whole life, coming from several generations doing the same thing.

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            I didn’t mean any disrespect. Just trying to provide some context to the “everyone who disagrees with me is a Russian bot” crowd. In my experience most people who subscribe to radical politics are younger, since I’m twice the age as probably half of the people I organize with, but I do have a few comrades and fellow travellers in the 50+ demo. However I usually don’t use the term “kid”, preferring the less dismissive " young person" but I guess old habits die hard. I’ll go back and make an edit

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        Nearly all of them are against anybody affiliated as a Democrat, why do they not say the same things about any Republicans? Anybody who legitimately hates Biden/DNC and is only expressing that opinion will also happily post negative things about Republicans too

        • there’s no need to attack Republicans, unlike Democrats, they carry their bigotry and racism on their shoulders for all to see, liberals are covert in theirs, masquerading as allies to the marginalized while simultaneously throwing them under the bus.

        Day after day, hour after hour of nothing but political comments and posts

        • What else would someone using the name anticolianialist talk about other than the political?

        • BlueMAGA isnt something new, maybe new to you, but it’s been around a long time.

        • Multiple studies have shown voters have zero impact on elections or policy, only the donor class has that power. When someone like Musk has more political sway than millions of voters there is no democracy, only the illusion of one. 50 years of ‘lesser evil’ has reduced the best options for President to 2 old senile pedos. An evil that’s grown so large their party has lost control of it.

        When Trump does get into office it will be the result of the DNC refusing to primary a candidate theyve known for years to be mentally declining, and voter suppression being enacted by liberals demanding everyone vote for them or its a wasted vote. There’s a better chance of you voting for trump than any of us voting for your mentally deficient right wing POS.

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        Wouldn’t that be convenient, if your dehumanizing worldview turned out to be true. Just a step away from “cut down the tall trees.”