The co-founder of failed cryptocurrency exchange FTX pleaded not guilty to a seven count indictment charging him with wire fraud, securities fraud and money laundering.

An attorney for FTX co-founder Sam Bankman-Fried said in federal court Tuesday his client has to subsist on bread, water and peanut butter because the jail he’s in isn’t accommodating his vegan diet.

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    Jellyfish and oysters just happen to be edge cases of animals existing without sentience.

    you can’t prove this.

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      well they don’t have fucking brains lol. why would an oyster evolve the capacity to suffer and fear and desire to live when they literally don’t control where they move? it would be a waste of energy. an oyster’s nervous system is about as complex as your finger…

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        why would an oyster evolve the capacity to suffer and fear and desire to live when they literally don’t control where they move?

        there is no proof any nonhuman animal has a “desire to live” because there isn’t proof they understand personal mortality.

        as for whether they have the capacity to suffer, which is all that sentience really seems to require, you can’t prove that they don’t have the capacity to suffer because you can’t prove a negative. the best you can say is that you don’t think there is enough evidence to support a claim that they ARE sentient.

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          if you saw a human from a tribe who spoke a language you would never understand, how do you know they feel pain and want to live? if you kick a dog, how do you know the dog didn’t enjoy it? maybe people who are asleep dont feel pain or want to live. lets just eat people in comas, or who speak other languages, and lets beat dogs because its so unclear whether they like it or not

          Animals must just run from danger because the wind pushes them that way. Wonder why dogs wag their tails when they see humans. Strange. Nah no proof they have desires or fears

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            Animals must just run from danger because the wind pushes them that way. Wonder why dogs wag their tails when they see humans. Strange. Nah no proof they have desires or fears

            none of this is proof they understand personal mortality, which is the crux if this disagreement.

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              No it’s not the crux. Avoiding danger to protect their lives is pretty good proof.

              A man follows a woman and she runs away.

              The man: “she could still wanna have sex”

              Maybe you’d be better seeing all the animals that mourn deaths of others.

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                Maybe you’d be better seeing all the animals that mourn deaths of others.

                mourning death of others is not proof that an animal know it, itself, might die.

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                    this distinction is the crux of the matter. your inability to address it meaningfully and nonsequitur of an accusation belie either a lack of understanding or a malicious intent to engage in bad faith. i can see no other explanation.

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                Avoiding danger to protect their lives is pretty good proof.

                you’re observing behavior and assuming cognition. you need to prove the cognition, and behavior is evidence but not proof.

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            maybe sentience or wanting to live aren’t metrics we should use as the basis of our morality.