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The Abandon Harris movement that sprouted late last year out of the widespread outrage over the Biden-Harris administration’s support for the ongoing Israeli war on Gaza has officially endorsed the Green Party’s Jill Stein for US president.
The endorsement is the first of its kind for Stein and the Green Party, with the Abandon Harris campaign being the first major Muslim-led political group to endorse her campaign this election cycle. Last month, a smaller group, the Muslim American Public Affairs Council NC, also endorsed Stein.
“We are not choosing between a greater evil and a lesser evil. We are confronting two destructive forces: one currently overseeing a genocide and another equally committed to continuing it. Both are determined to see it through,” the Abandon Harris campaign said in a statement released on Monday.
Voting for Stein in a FPTP voting system doesn’t solve the problem that’s been turned into a one issue campaign slogan. Even if she was the perfect candidate. The only realistic option is to try and change the stance of one of the two that can win the election, and out of those two choices, suddenly who to vote for is obvious. If it wasn’t already.
The only realistic option (IMO) is to push for state level electoral reform in your respective state. I admit it’s probably to late to get such changes through before the current election without a general strike.
What are your plans to influence the democratic party?
Vote first of course. Repeatedly remind my various reps that RCV is important for the future and to support current bills or get new ones started. Election reform during off years is probably more important since that’s when no one is thinking about it and yet it’s when changing it will affect the next term.
Wish me luck, my state is NC. Just getting enough democrat reps is difficult enough.
Which is nearly impossible, ergo it isn’t a solution. Revolution is necessary.
Voting for Jill Stein somehow constitutes a revolution?
Nope, but it delegitimizes the Electoral system, abandoning Electoralism is important for revolution, as well as firmly standing against genocide.
Maybe it does, but not in a “we’re going to fix this” kind of way, but in a “we’re going to hand the keys to the castle over to the self-proclaimed dictator who may try to abolish elections entirely” kind of way.
If that’s what you want, just vote for Trump, don’t play around with this third party BS.
If Trump actually tries to do away with elections, you still wouldn’t lift a finger to stop him, just accept it and go on with your day. Genocide wasn’t enough to get you to abandon the DNC and GOP, so neither will Trump.
Is Harris going to implement RCV? If not your argument is a red herring.
You know who is implementing RCV? Jill Stein.
No she’s not - she’s a physician, not a legislator. She’s not implementing anything except (hopefully) health care for her patients. She’s promising to make RCV a political priority, but even if elected, the president doesn’t write the laws.
And that even if is doing some heavy lifting, because it’s impossible for her to get enough votes (50.01%, because a plurality goes to the legislators to decide) to win.
What she can do, is syphon enough votes from from Harris to hand the country back to Trump (who I promise you will not solve the problem of genocide in Palestine), which is why the RNC and hostile foreign powers love to prop her up
I think that’s a Congressional thing, not a President one. But I’m sure she’s promising it. Correct me if it’s something that a President can declare as an executive order, but that wasn’t my impression.
Btw, I think the way to get RCV federally is to make it statewide, and that’s started already, plus there’s a bill in Congress for the second time.
She’s not, you have been gaslighted. Harris released her platform already there’s no RCV in there.
I didn’t clarify. I was talking about Jill Stein. She has a lot of promises on her website.
Ah yes Jill Stein has indeed.
In case it was not clear yet, the surpreme court has confirmed that president can do whatever they want as long as it’s an “official order”.
They can have the all of the Supreme Court judges be assassinated and appoint whomever they want to the position. They can add surpreme court positions.
The. President. Can. Do. Whatever. They. Want.
Just ask Genocide Joe what happened when the Republicans blocked him from sending weapons to israel to force him to accept a border wall deal. Genocide Joe and Holocaust Harris found a way to keep sending israel those weapons and keep committing Genocide.
How would you propose to do that while also offering said party an unconditional vote? I’m not American, but if you have an answer it would be useful here too. Parliamentary systems end up pretty much the same.
Protesting, public pressure in other ways, pressure through other representatives in Congress. Also the same to try and get the voting system changed so minority parties can have more effect, bending the major ones to have to talk about issues that for now are easy to avoid (the both sides, even if that’s not entirely true). Another factor is lobbying, that needs to be restricted so large entities like corporations can’t basically buy loyalty.
I would point out that any vote, even for Stein, is unconditional, so there’s no way to avoid that. To make politicians keep their policy the public has to be engaged past the election.
Even if all of that is debatable, my main point is that a vote for Stein won’t get any change. One of the two choices that can win the election has some chance, even if small. Whether that be from citizen pressure or them getting the power of office and doing things themselves.