It won’t improve anything. Any progress that could be made will be undone by the massive carbon emissions from war. At best it might slow climate change slightly.
My guess is you said it because you either do not understand or do not accept the concept of mitigation and why mitigation is a good thing.
And slowing climate change gives us more time to fight it.
Are you under the strange impression that it’s just as easy to improve things whether or not harm is being mitigated?
Because I’m pretty sure it’s easier when it is.
Which is why this will improve things. No, not on its own. Nothing is ever improved on its own when it comes to complex systems. You are reducing one of the most complex systems we know about, climate, to simple black-and-white terms.
I’m under the impression that it would be a lot easier to improve things if the billions spent supporting Israel were instead spent on climate change mitigation. That’s not black-and-white, but it’s a clear conflict between the administration’s words and their actions.
Yes, again, letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. Very few people here want the money spent on Israel.
That doesn’t mean acting like everything else that the Biden administration does is worthless because of it. It is possible to have massive criticisms of a political administration and acknowledge when they do something good.
Domestic clean energy manufacturing is a good thing. Bringing jobs to former coal communities that are depressed communities due to the coal no longer being mined is a good thing. Climate mitigation is a good thing. This helps with all of those things.
Pretending everything is awful because one thing is awful achieves nothing. Neither does making every Biden or Harris thread into a complaint about the U.S. aiding Israel. Who exactly do you think you’re going to convince here? How does this constant complaining help Palestinians?
What an extremely narrow way of looking at a vast network of computers containing most of the world’s knowledge. Do you mean to say you’ve never used the internet to enlighten yourself in any way? Read a scanned-in book? Watch a digitized documentary or lecture? Nothing?
I spend hours poring over the amazing things available on the Internet Archive. So much media that you can learn from!
Substance farmers in third world countries even find uses for the Internet- all kinds of farming tips. There was an article I read some years ago about a village in sub-Saharan Africa where they basically had one guy who had internet access and farmers were constantly coming to him to get farming advice.
But you think the only thing that the internet is good for is venting your frustrations?
I think that’s still a very narrow view of things. I have made lifelong friends on internet forums. I went to a meetup in August of this year and had the time of my life with the people I finally got to meet face-to-face. I can honestly that it was one of the most enjoyable three days of my life and I can’t wait until we do it again next year. I also have friends in other countries that I met on forums who I’ve been talking to privately for years now.
And, of course, you can learn things from forums too. There’s plenty of things people post on Lemmy that contain interesting information. Communities like c/science has lots of interesting and informative posts.
The “not as bad as” fallacy, also known as the fallacy of relative privation, asserts that:
If something is worse than the problem currently being discussed, then
The problem currently being discussed isn’t that important at all.
In order for the statement “A is not as bad as B,” to suggest a fallacy there must be a fallacious conclusion such as: ignore A.
You:
I only said we should demand more and highlighted the Biden-Harris administration’s fucked up priorities. I’m not asking for a pony, I’m asking that we stop burning fossil fuels to support a genocidal apartheid state. It’s not an unreasonable expectation!
If we stopped supporting Israel, we’d stop burning the fuel we use to support them. Our support for Israel requires burning fossil fuel. We should stop doing that.
Nope. That is not what you only said.
You also said this:
My guess is you said it because you either do not understand or do not accept the concept of mitigation and why mitigation is a good thing.
And slowing climate change gives us more time to fight it.
I stand by that. Mitigation doesn’t improve anything, it only makes things bad at a slower rate. Nothing actually gets better.
Are you under the strange impression that it’s just as easy to improve things whether or not harm is being mitigated?
Because I’m pretty sure it’s easier when it is.
Which is why this will improve things. No, not on its own. Nothing is ever improved on its own when it comes to complex systems. You are reducing one of the most complex systems we know about, climate, to simple black-and-white terms.
I’m under the impression that it would be a lot easier to improve things if the billions spent supporting Israel were instead spent on climate change mitigation. That’s not black-and-white, but it’s a clear conflict between the administration’s words and their actions.
Yes, again, letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. Very few people here want the money spent on Israel.
That doesn’t mean acting like everything else that the Biden administration does is worthless because of it. It is possible to have massive criticisms of a political administration and acknowledge when they do something good.
Domestic clean energy manufacturing is a good thing. Bringing jobs to former coal communities that are depressed communities due to the coal no longer being mined is a good thing. Climate mitigation is a good thing. This helps with all of those things.
Pretending everything is awful because one thing is awful achieves nothing. Neither does making every Biden or Harris thread into a complaint about the U.S. aiding Israel. Who exactly do you think you’re going to convince here? How does this constant complaining help Palestinians?
My only point was to highlight how the Biden administration has it’s priorities backwards i.e. millions for climate, billions for Israel.
I’m venting frustration. That’s all the internet is good for anyway. Complaining doesn’t matter, your arguing doesn’t matter, nothing we post matters.
What an extremely narrow way of looking at a vast network of computers containing most of the world’s knowledge. Do you mean to say you’ve never used the internet to enlighten yourself in any way? Read a scanned-in book? Watch a digitized documentary or lecture? Nothing?
I spend hours poring over the amazing things available on the Internet Archive. So much media that you can learn from!
Substance farmers in third world countries even find uses for the Internet- all kinds of farming tips. There was an article I read some years ago about a village in sub-Saharan Africa where they basically had one guy who had internet access and farmers were constantly coming to him to get farming advice.
But you think the only thing that the internet is good for is venting your frustrations?
Honestly, that statement makes me sad for you.
I misspoke.
I was only talking about posting. Obviously the internet is far bigger than just the comments section.
I think that’s still a very narrow view of things. I have made lifelong friends on internet forums. I went to a meetup in August of this year and had the time of my life with the people I finally got to meet face-to-face. I can honestly that it was one of the most enjoyable three days of my life and I can’t wait until we do it again next year. I also have friends in other countries that I met on forums who I’ve been talking to privately for years now.
And, of course, you can learn things from forums too. There’s plenty of things people post on Lemmy that contain interesting information. Communities like c/science has lots of interesting and informative posts.
You’ll be happy to hear that Biden had invested billions into climate change.
https://www.wri.org/insights/biden-administration-tracking-climate-action-progress
Also
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as
You:
You misinterpreted what I said.
If we stopped supporting Israel, we’d stop burning the fuel we use to support them. Our support for Israel requires burning fossil fuel. We should stop doing that.
I understand the fallacy, thanks.