Here’s the problem: Trump is out to maximize environmental damage and the US Green Party runs as spoilers. Let’s look at three scenarios:
Scenario 1:
Harris: 1001 votes
Trump: 1000 votes
Stein: 0 votes
Harris wins
Scenario 2:
Harris: 1000 votes
Trump: 1000 votes
Stein: 1 vote
Tied vote, which goes to the courts and Congress, putting Trump in power
Scenario 3:
Harris: 999 votes
Trump: 1000 votes
Stein: 2 votes
Trump wins outright
This spoiler effect makes it really imperative to actively vote for Harris if you want to see any kind of climate action going forward. Republicans know this, which is why they’re the ones funding the Green Party.
And that’s why the European Greens want Jill Stein to step down now — they get that what she’s doing is making it easier to elect a fascist bent on environmental destruction.
Anyone who call to imperatively vote for the red and blue party is an enemy of the climate cause and of humanity. If you want to see any kind of climate action do not vote or advocate for the parties and politicians that have cycled in power for the past decades and have brought humanity on the brink of extinction.
The difference is that the Biden line keeps all of Biden’s climate laws and the Trump line kills them. So this is not including any climate laws Harris might introduce, however the difference until 2030 between both scenarios is about the annual emissions of the EU and Japan combined! Biden has a lot of flaws, but he has done some actually large scale positive climate action.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-trump-election-win-could-add-4bn-tonnes-to-us-emissions-by-2030/
The target has not being reached and the government isn’t even considering doing something as simple as banning private jets or yachts. If you care about the climate cause do not advocate for the parties and politicians who have brought us to this point. Instead of defending them and pointing out that one is less awful than the other use your energies to do something better.
So we’re at the finish line with two choices, and you’re gonna double down that there’s a third option people haven’t considered?
Did I get that right?
The world is at the finish line and there a thousand things you can do to fight the climate cause. Climate activists are blocking roads they are not advocating for the parties who are responsible for the climate crisis.
They’re recognizing that a first-past-the-post system gives us effectively a choice between two candidates, and are choosing to support the one willing to do more. This is what the Biden/Harris administration got us:
Trump wants to roll everything back.
Just look [email protected] post history. It is not worth it.
Go ahead and point out what’s bad about any of the posts i ever made. I always post in good faith, i do not advocate for evil, war or any corrupted government or politician. I wonder if the same could be say about you.
It’s worth it to call out shills so they can’t spew their bullshit uncontested. This isn’t reddit where a barrage of downvotes hides them. They need active pushback.
If we look at the chart the emissions are pretty much as high as they were in 1990, they even went up in the past few years. They could drop these in a day by banning billionares commodities. There’s a reason why climate activists aren’t advocating for the current ruling parties.
To the contrary, when I’ve been doing phonebanks calling climate activists asking them to be involved in actions supporting Harris, I’m finding that I actually know people on the list, and they’re showing up.
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I agree that climate change is a global problem, but letting the one candidate who said “drill baby, drill,” got $75mil investments from Big Oil, has indicated he’d be a dictator, and has explicitly called climate change a hoax—we can just let him win, because surely he won’t put the boot upon the climate activists and suppress any effort to do anything meaningful about the climate?
Is that your plan? Because I fail to see how electing Donald Trump will give you the status quo you’re assuming you’ll have to be able to effect any sort of climate agenda.
Do all those activist things, but don’t be so gullible or naive to think that the judges the president will pick, the Congresspersons and lobbying interests they choose to listen to, the people they appoint to their cabinet, and countries they do business with are tantamount to nothing.
Unless you sincerely think that stuff is tantamount to nothing compared to protests, in which case, I wish I could be that privileged and divorced from reality.
Climate activists are already being beaten and arrested pretty much all around the world.
So, not going to answer the questions I asked you and just pretend it’s going to be exactly the same under both candidates?
Is that your strategy? Are you a troll?
Yes, they are a troll.
Or a non-US psyop agent, or a GOP supporter
What is exactly your question?
My “strategy” aka the right thing to do is to not endorse or advocate for criminals. Simple as that
What is exactly your question?
My “strategy” aka the right thing to do is to not endorse or advocate for criminals. Simple as that
Who do you think is a viable politician, who can win the presidential election next Tuesday and bans private jets and yachts?
Name all the registered candidates
Name any realistic scenario where voting for Stein would affect positive change.
Name any realistic scenario where voting for red or blue would affect positive change
I chose to vote for Blue last presidential election and Biden made a real difference with the IRA. Much to my surprise. It isn’t enough, but it is a step.
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The Democrats are very very far from ideal but they are trying to make the life of the average American better and they’re trying (to little, to late, admittedly) to do something about climate change. The other side actively wants to kill as many Americans as they can and generally fuck up the world in every way possible. If you don’t have your head stuck up your own arse really far, the difference is very clear to see.
Both sides are responsible for the climate crisis we are in right now. Instead of advocating for one of them use your energies to advocate for someone better that would actually do something for climate and not just green washing
And who would that be?
Anyone who isn’t responsible for the climate crisis or involved in it.
Yet another cop-out.
Because people like this have no platform. They have no plan. They screech and wail, as if caterwauling is panacea.
“Fix the climate!”
“End homelessness!”
“Stop the genocide!”
But when pressed as to how to effect these changes, they almost invariably resort to maligning your morals, denigrating your doubts, and calumniating your civility.
I voted for blue in San Francisco and they reduced carbon emissions by 50% despite population growth of 12% and GDP growth of 226%.
I voted for blue in California and they invested $54 billion into transit.
I voted for blue in the US Government and they gave us the single greatest, most ambitious program addressing climate change in the history of the world.
All the charts posted in this thread show that current emissions are pretty much as high as they were in 1990. The current government is fueling a war in gaza, in ukraine and yemen among other places. The US army is one of the biggest polluter in the world, instead of cutting military budget and operations the government is increasing these year by year, regardless of who is in power.
The “most ambitious program addressing climate change in the history of the world” still doesn’t consider something as simple as banning private jets and yachts.
If you want any real change and reduce emissions significantly stop advocating for parties that for the past decades have created the crisis we are in.
But Biden made some inappropriate remarks! Both sides are the same!
Look at the emission charts, both parties for the past decades haven’t really do shit about climate. They have actually helped creating the crisis we are in by backing corporations and consumerism. Also look at what both parties are doing now.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/8/death-sentence-asbestos-released-by-israels-bombs-will-kill-generations
Emissions are going down.
Oh fuck off.
Does it feel dirty as fuck? Of course it does, but if you genuinely think there is no difference at all in climate outlook between the two then I have a billion oil jacks to sell you.
It might be the lesser of two evils, but every tonne less we emit is one less we need to remove.
Scientists have been warning us for years that we are getting past the point of no return. Red and blue party have both led us there and not give a fuck about climate until the pressure was on losing votes because of it. Under the current climate crisis the government isn’t even considering banning private jets and yachts to keep pleasing the 0.01%
Excellent, so you are in the market for premium oil jacks, where should we start the bidding?
I dunno, but the currency should be rubles