Summary
Tesla’s registrations in France dropped 63% in January, their lowest since August 2022, far outpacing the broader total EV sales’ 0.5% decline.
Tesla registrations across EU countries fell 13% last year, with Germany accounting for much of the decline.
Sales in Germany, Tesla’s biggest European market, also fell 41% last year due to an aging lineup, competition, and subsidy cuts.
CEO Elon Musk’s political involvement, including support for Germany’s far-right party, may be affecting demand.
The interesting part of the story is not so much that Tesla is losing – it’s who is winning. Electric vehicles are in MASSIVE demand throughout the world. The USA has responded more or less by putting an iron curtain in place against BETTER electric vehicles produced elsewhere. Sure, our governments use some scary words around Chinese imports, but look at their cars in isolation, especially BYD. By almost any metric you can imagine, BYD products are superior. The USA is temporarily putting their head in the sand about China. However, make no mistake, in other markets where there is FAIR competition, America’s lunch is getting eaten. This cannot go on forever. Hopefully our US auto producers get their heads out of their ass and start competing instead of relying on tariffs to level the playing field. Tarriffs can make Tesla competitive domestically, but if you want to dominate the world, this is almost certainly not the way forward.
Well, I think I’m pulling the plug too finally and offloading my Tesla to some poor shmuck. Just too many things.
I hope some dealership will give me money for it.
The EU has so many much better EV makers it is crazy. Siemens, Altsom, CAF or Talgo are superior in every way.
Are you expecting someone to say “I never heard of those” so you can share some gem of niche industry knowledge with us?
Sigh. Alright. “I never heard of those”.
Those are all train manufacturers.
Oh, right, so we are all very dumb for not recognizing that and also op is very enlightened because he has already arrived at the conclusion that public transport is the only valid form of transportation while the rest of us still thinks that electrically driven automobiles (*snort*) might be anything of value.
Alright, imma head over to the designated corner of shame, see you guys over there.
Hint: None of those companies make electric vehicles.
What do you mean? Trains are vehicles.
Sure, but that’s not relevant. Unless you’re suggesting that people buying a train is a better idea than buying a Tesla.
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Give me a break.
Hate on Musk all you’re pleased, I’ll join you. But I can’t deny how much better tesla was vs every other brand I’ve test driven (Ford, Kia, Polestar mg etc). Their software is unmatched unfortunately. Until we get another brand do this shit right, tesla will be the top car. EV is only as good as its software. Most other brands are half a decade behind.
Again, if you have experience and disagree? I’m happy to discuss! I’d love to hear about your experience with brands I haven’t tested. But 90% of comments here likely never driven Tesla and are just spewing bullshit because they dislike Musk. It’s fine not to buy a car because of it, but trying to mental gymnastics into the car being bad makes people look like complete idiots.
I’m sure there will be smart asses here talking about quality control or software recalls, so what? Sell so many of anything and you’ll have bad apples. You think other brands haven’t got those?
EV is only as good as its software.
Well… as a Tesla owner I have to say that this car has had the worst hardware I’ve ever experienced. And it sure brings down the experience a tad when – let’s say – your side door window physically cracks because it failed to raise the window by half a centimeter, so it crashes into the car side when you try to close it. Or when the hinge in the boot just breaks randomly and the remote fix-r-up guy cannot do anything about it. Or when the side mirror just stops working because it’s chilly outside.
But sure, the software is pretty ok. And some things remain pretty nice, like the acceleration.
That’s really a matter of opinion. I love CarPlay and prefer it to Tesla’s screen. The voice recognition is just not as good and fails most of the time when I ask it to dial or send a text message. It lacks WhatsApp integration, and my favorite podcast app just doesn’t work with Tesla’s system and never will.
Hyundai feels more comfortable both in seats and interface; I prefer actual buttons rather than trying to scroll through menus at high speed to turn on and off car features. Non-round steering wheels and lack of turn stalks should be banned for safety. I feel safer glancing at a speedometer in front of me rather than glancing away from the road so often. And Hyundai Ioniq cars have much better self driving on highway compared to what Tesla has, as Tesla keeps nearly clipping trucks or going out of lanes forcing me to take over far too often. I even like the auto park features.
But this really is a matter of opinion and preference.
Tesla cars are a mixed bag (for Europeans, at least).
The software is good (although it got worse, many things now require multiple touches, which is really bad when driving), and it is better than every other brand I know.
But a lot of other aspects are suboptimal. E.g. the insulation is sub-par, resulting in more noise. The assistance systems are really bad, the car tried to kill me multiple times on the Autobahn. The cameras are bad when it’s dark outside, often I have to guess what I see in the rear camera when parking. The placement of the rear camera leads to dirt on it, I have to clean it every day to be able to use it. Etc, pp.
Nothing is so bad that I would advise against a Tesla, but these are many small paper cuts I was not used to in other brands.
That said: don’t buy a Tesla. Musk is a Nazi. Don’t support Nazis, punch them.
Edit: didn’t notice the train joke. Nice, you got me ;-)
Pretty sure it’s a joke and the Electric Vehicle here are trains, as those 4 are train manufacturers. Regarding your (small) rant, no opinion, but the joke is funny and the electric train is the superior mean of transportation.
I get the joke, Siemens isn’t making cars obviously. But the sentiment stays. I’m in UK, our trains are nowhere as good as the mainland Europe ones unfortunately.
Not denying that, but it becomes a public investment issue and not a car manufacturer issue. There is no UK train manufacturer anymore, only branch of international manufacturers. It is clear that tesla is targeting an high end market and you have to be careful to compare their cars to similar ones with similar price point. I hope a 60ke car is better than a 30ke one, the question is how it compares to other 60ke cars. Then again I like train and know nothing of cars so I am not dismissing your opinion.
I never owned a tesla, i only know people who own and have owned teslas and it’s a mixed bag. It’s really not as simple as “car very good” and “car very bad” the biggest problem with the early gen tesla (imo) is that they aren’t really thought out in many many places. My mechanic friend bought an early gen tesla for cheap and we started to pull it apart because it made odd noises. I have never seen such a weird ass car. They just glued in neoprene (or whatever that is) and other parts into the body panel for some reason. Well one reason is that the car collects dirt in the panels. And i mean i pulled out buckets of dirt from that car. The interior is incredible cheap lookjng and feeling. A lot of things in that car was just bizzar. It was like a show car, that wasn’t ment to drive because everything seemed so flimsy so they just added stuff to make it not fall apart.
A guy i know ordered a then new tesla (around 2021) he was supposed to get the car in august that year, they delivered it around christmas. He’s a real fanboy and he was so excited for that car. When they delivered it, the car was absolutely shit. Panel misalignment is normal with these cars, but this was crazy, and not just panels, also interior and the car rattled and what not. He didn’t accept it and the delivery guy told him the car just goes to the next guy on the list until someone accepts it. So he got another car in march or so. His windshield broke a bit later and it took them 8 month to get a new one, and because they don’t have a real garage, he delivered it and they took it somewhere. It was gone for a long time and they didn’t just change the windows, they also changed out the drivetrain and didn’t say anything. This part is speculative to be honest, but it usually doesn’t take more than a month to change the windscreen and when we put the car on a lift, the frivetrain was suspiciously clean compared to the rest of the car. They denied everything tho. These are my first hand experiences, and reading the problems other tesla owners have, it’s pretty clear that quality, quality control and customer service is like dead last on the list.
I have a Tesla (it’s 4 years old, dont kill me. I wouldnt buy one now. I would unbuy it if I could. Fuck Elon, fuck Tesla) and my boyfriend has a new Hyundai Ioniq 5. The Ioniq is a really cool car, no problems yet with it so far, but the Tesla absolutely demolishes it from a software/end user standpoint.
It is definitely the best non-Tesla EV I’ve played with so far, though, but I am so glad he decided on it over a 2nd Tesla. I dont think I could look at him anymore if he bought one at this point…
EV is only as good as its software
That’s odd, because usually when I’m driving a car, the only software I really need to do its’ job is the powertrain control module and I haven’t noticed that being so bad in literally any manufacturer.
Oh I am not saying that Tesla is not making good cars, but that cars are inferior to trains. Those companies mostly had full self driving before Tesla was founded. They also all build high speed rail, which means they are faster then Tesla. Trains also use less energy then cars. The onboard entertainment mainly is bring your own device and use the WiFi, but options for restaurants are decently common.
Sadly, he’s already tapped the US Treasury like a Keg.
I work in tech in Germany. My coworkers and I are the ideal Tesla customers. Nobody I know would consider buying a Nazi car.
Call it a swasticar, Elmo hates it.
Stfu
What? Swasticar and elmo are your triggers?
Sorry i had a moment. But theres no point to putting so much effort into expressing hatred for tesla and i just think its kind of obnoxious. I get it but just dont buy them.
We’re not talking about disagreements over sports teams, Musk is using people’s money to scam a ton of people and influence elections by pushing extremists into government and openly break laws. He’s a malignant individual.
Just because its a serious topic doesnt mean circlejerking suddenly becomes a good use of time.
Tesla deserves raw, spend your whole night raging online, never buy, avert your eyes hatred.
Because they aren’t just associates with, but are an extension of, a demonstrably dangerous to billions anti-democratic greedy Nazi wannabe (which is a Nazi in common parlance).
No respect, no apathy, no acceptance of Nazis when the corpses of the last ones to barely beat them at the cost of a generation are barely cold.
That’s actually really insightful. You see hatred as primarily having an effect on the target. I see hatred as primarily having an effect on the hater.
It really is two ways of thinking.
I see a fight-or-flight response to a threat and a decision made. Stressors are a two way street and the fight choice doesn’t always or even often leave both sides unharmed.
Yes okay but i we can hold that conviction without being constant with it. If it did something positive then I wouldnt critcize it. Seems pointless.
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Are you in need of help?
Does T stand for tits?
Any day now, Elon Musk’s failures will catch up with him and then we can dance on his grave of failure.
Stupid nerd who never accomplished anything!
Couldn’t happen to a “better” man
Looks like Elon Twittered Tesla.
Or he Xed it out.
He did not see that coming
He let that sink in.
Hop damn
The people who buy electric vehicles are left-leaning people who believe in climate change. If I were a major Tesla shareholder I’d be howling to have Musk ejected while the company still has a chance to retain some goodwill.
Why? Shareholders do not care about the health of the company so long as its stock price is high. And Teslas stock price is not based on any fundamental principle of investing.
Their market cap, or the total value of all their shares, is currently worth more than the next 30 largest auto manufacturers COMBINED.
Let me put it this way: Every single car sold in the United States this year could be made by Tesla and they still wouldn’t even be close to being worth what they are right now based on company fundamentals. Thats how insane this is. Shareholders of the company couldn’t be happier and yet their company is declining in sales and killing off its customer base. Absolutely insane.
People are still betting big on Tesla’s self driving and other technological advances.
Value of a stock isn’t just the current market success, but also perceived future value.
That said, Tesla is overvalued for sure.
That sounds like a bubble that needs a pin 📌
Why? Shareholders do not care about the health of the company so long as its stock price is high.
And so long as it continues to remain high as long as they remain shareholders. Do Tesla shareholders really think Tesla is going to keep its value? Do they think that what Musk is doing as CEO is really helping enhance that value? I mean, when was the last time he actually did any work as Tesla CEO?
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That’s an interesting take. Doesn’t make much sense, but it’s interesting.
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Too much glue damages the brain
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No they don’t think it will hold that value, yes they think that musk is helping enhance it (and I agree), no they don’t think his actions as CEO are helping their core fundamentals, and quite possibly his last actions were years ago unless you count him being at their press events as work.
This isn’t unique to Tesla btw, they’re just the largest example. Nvidia is also right behind them.
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I’m sure Tesla gathers data, but pretending that a $50,000 car isn’t the actual product is pretty silly.
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They already hedged their bets long ago. Only main Street is gonna be left holding this bag. Yall need to get real. The world is falling apart and people still think the rich are gonna do something.
I don’t think you understand what “hedging their bets” means.
It means they invested a few of their spare billions into opposing technology and companies while you sit at home deciding if you are buying eggs or milk this week.
You dropped this 🤡
So, they’re not Tesla shareholders?
Shock, you can own shares from multiple companies at once. Competitors, even.
Ah, so they no longer care about how their Tesla shares perform, because they’ve invested in multiple companies. Gotcha! You’re great at investing, I can tell.
Ah, so you’re one of those “deliberately misunderstand” trolls. Goodbye.
Unfortunately his fan Bois are all nazis now. They may claim they aren’t but nazis lie.
There’s a difference between “elon fan bois” and the various shareholders in Tesla and potential electric car buyers.
I’m specifically talking about fan bois that currently own Tesla. I am amazed at the number of fellow owners that say they will still by Tesla. Lots of them own stock and think as long as share price goes up, that nothing is wrong.
Not many people want to be seen in a nazi car. Between that and twitter, the babyllionaire douche is really demonstrating his genius.
I use to want one. I was following news for them as electric cars were a bit of a hyper focus for me at the time.
My next car will very likely be full electric and there is no way I will own a Tesla now. I’m not even sure I would get one at this point if musk was no longer associated with it.
He has done everything he can to alienate the actual consumers of Tesla.
Until recently, I think I’d have given them a shot if Musk was 100% removed from the company, not by his choice. Now, Tesla is synonymous with a Nazi. That taint will last decades if they were to drop him right now, but I will never give them a penny.
there is no real reason to use twitter or a tesla at this point (outside of having bought one many years ago). Unfortunately spacex does not have a good alternate and im not really sure where the solar/battery stuff fall as far as their options compared to others.
im not really sure where the solar/battery stuff fall as far as their options compared to others.
For the residential market it looks like this.
Panels - Tesla solar panels are nothing special. They use other manufacturer’s panels. They generally choose acceptable middle-of-the-road models, not the high end, not the low end.
Panel integration to homes - Telsa does have a clever part for linking into an existing home wiring panel that can be faster/cheaper that the common methods called a meter collar. However it is only certified for use in some states so far. Also, other companies are coming out with their own meter collar, but I concede that Tesla was the first to do this.
Battery - Tesla Powerwall is one of the most popular home battery options because of its large capacity relative to its price. However, there have been bad runs with some of its models with its inverter prematurely failing or running extra hot and shutting down. Overall its still considered higher quality unit and user experience. However, its not the only battery on the market. In the USA solar vendor specific batteries exist with pros and cons compared to Tesla. Enphase is one of the leaders in home solar, and they make an excellent (but expensive) battery system. Franklin also makes a vendor neutral battery that is highly regarded.
In all of these Tesla home solar products one thing that is universally agreed to is how horrible the Tesla customer service experience is. Getting a hold of a human is nearly impossible. When you do the human will frequently not follow up, and you’ll find out that human is gone and you have to go through the process again to get your issue addressed. Replacement parts can be delayed by months mean, and not infrequently the subcontractors used to install the equipment cause problems or damage to the houses where the install occurs.
I chose to skip Tesla and did not use them for any of my home solar install and I’m very glad I did.
Thanks for your thorough reply. We have solar on our home. I’d like to get a battery back up, but am a little annoyed on the price of that, and will not go
nazitesla any time in the near future.Unless you’re in California or a couple other pockets of very high time-of-use (TOU) rates, home batteries don’t make economic sense right now. However, there are more than economic reasons for some folks for home batteries: medical equipment in the home for a loved one, backup power for high outage areas, personal actions on climate concerns. None of these are good “investments” returns though for batteries.
I bought a small amount of very expensive batteries, but where I live we have true 1:1 net metering so there isn’t any economic benefit.
Enphase did some of our stuff. I’ve looked at their offerings. I’m a little miffed that I have a huge battery 77kWh on wheels even, and can’t use that more efficiently to power the house. It has V2L, but at 1800W max. Whatcha think about using that V2L to run a pump, send the water up in to a lovely medium sized water tower which I’m sure the HOA would appreciate, and generate back some electrons while I take a shower, water the garden, etc?
I’m a little miffed that I have a huge battery 77kWh on wheels even, and can’t use that more efficiently to power the house.
Is that a limitation of Enphase or your car? Enphase does have a bidirectional charger to do exactly what you’re describing if your car is compatible with it. I’m in the same situation BTW with an incompatible car.
My EV does V2L (vehicle to load), but at a miniscule 1800watts. I can use a water boiler, or an induction hob, but not both at the same time. The problem is getting the power back to the house fast enough to be useful. Thanks for the Enphase link, I’m always a bit scared when they don’t show a price. I"ll look deeper when I have a chance.
Not many people want to be seen in a nazi car
Eh, people really like VW bugs, and those we’re commissioned by hitler and designed by the nazis. They’ve done a lot better at distancing themselves from their founder, though.
It’s round! Like a bridge!
Agreed!
Are you a Sheik?
Sheik Sheik Sheik, Sheik Yerbouti!! It’s been a real long time since anyone mention the reference, cheers!
I better listen to some Zappa. It has been a long time.
Just remember, don’t eat the yellow snow.
Whenever I see a Tesla, I immediately think of those fucking neo-Nazis and his weekly chats with the bastard Vlad.
I don’t understand how the stock is STILL so high
One of the few conspiracies I actually subscribe to is that there is no legitimate stock market anymore, it is 100% under price control. Wins and losses - such as they are - are being determined by huge banks and hedge funds using AI algorithms, dark pools and phantom shares to maintain an iron grip. I got started down this path when I read Michael Lewis’ book Flash Boys, which, like this video was made over 10 years ago.
I don’t know that there’s any sort of conspiracy, but it’s definitely true that a huge part of the market is in “dumb money” – index funds that just buy every stock weighted by market cap, and thus exert no influence on what the companies actually do.
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My 3%-match 401k: ididntdoshit.jpeg
I also suspect that because so much manufacturing is in China, what we think of as the world’s stock market is just a small fraction of anything. Does an index count if an index doesn’t measure much?
They released info to shareholders last week that showed an 8% drop in year over year sales… and yet the stock went up. Maybe people expected the drop to be even higher, so the drop was already priced in?? But it just feels like there is market manipulation going on.
My guess is that, with Musk basically in charge of the government now, investors are expecting huge returns from corruption.
Yeah, the guy who apparently now controls the strings of the government could just click a button to have the government order 1 million Teslas.
Other than investing in the hopes of seeing returns from corruption, it doesn’t really make any sense.
It’s a cult.
Elon and Trump are butt-buddies.
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Not one more Tesla should be sold in any democratic country.
You couldn’t get me to drive a Tesla even if you paid me for it
I might be tempted to as long as the destination was “into a lake”.
Edit: as soon as I wrote that, I realized: I don’t wanna pollute a lake so nevermind.
The French (rightly) hate Nazi stuff. 🤷♂️
What ? They vote for Le Pen in droves. They love that nazi biatch.
