Yes, I know what you meant. But the reality is, defeating fascism is not a safe thing to do. If we all stick with the mentality of being safe, we will lose our rights forever.
Edit: I guess the downvotes I’m getting just go to show how many of us are fascists and/or cowards.
Edit 2: keep downvoting without replying to refute my point, fascist cowards. You’re only proving me right with every click. You have no fucking rebuttal and you know it.
You’re getting downvoted for being a dick. Stop being a dick and maybe people will listen to you. You can be correct and have a counterproductive attitude. Especially knowing that Lemmy is largely filled with people who align with you.
Nope, I was getting downvoted before that. Try again.
The real reason is that people don’t want to hear what a dire situation we’re actually in. They want to delude themselves into thinking that “safe” politics as usual is capable of solving the problems we’re faced with to day, but it isn’t. So they shoot the messenger.
See, this shit right here is exactly why statements like the one I made are necessary. Trump is attacking the press, sending people to gulags without due process, and all sorts of other blatantly tyrannical shit, and he just refuses to see it.
While grue may have said it rude and crude, they aren’t wrong.
The longer people mill about waiting for someone else to lead them - vs organizing, preparing, etc themselves - allows Trump and his syncophants more time to settle into power.
Wait too long and Americans miss their chance to shut this shit down.
Indeed, exactly this. They are, just like the nazis did, using the small window of opportunity (where most folks still don’t realise what’s going on) to disable the basic checks and balances our modern system of governance provides.
However, as most of us in the West have such little understanding of how it would be to live under autocratic or even fascist rule, it’s just hard to grasp that we’re mere months away from precisely that happening.
You can tell yourself what you want, but I agree with your view, and still had to downvote just to reduce the toxicity hogging space from up top. I use the votes as signal boosters / signal dampeners. Lower voted, for most people, end up in the bottom, where most don’t reach them.
Some people don’t want to hear it, because they know it by heart already. Some because it’s not productive and only serves to lower morale. Some, because that’s just defeatist and/or escalatory. Whatever the reason, I’m certain most people do not need to hear that shit. What purpose would it even serve? Things are not as dire as that and you know it too, you are just being sensational for whatever reason you’ve conjured yourself. I even agree that things have to hurt before meaningful action starts to happen at a meaningful level, but hoping specifically someone to get hurt and/or not stay safe is just you being a prick. Nobody needs to be exposed to that.
What the fuck is wrong with you?! That is not even slightly what I said and you fucking know it. Telling hateful lies like that is 10000% more “prick” behavior than anything I did!
There’s a big fucking difference between hoping that somebody will not listen to cowardly advice, and hoping they get hurt. I shouldn’t have to explain that to the entire fucking thread, but I’m apparently surrounded by idiots.
What would you yourself deem “not being safe” to mean in context of people in general? Now what would you take it to mean when the commenter you quoted there said that the opposition is dangerous and deranged, hoping AOC stay safe, and you responding hoping AOC not to stay safe. In the same context where the clear danger and derangement is stated? In fact, quoting the very comment doing just that?
You can keep acting shocked and mistreated as though everyone around you is stupid or malicious or both… or, you know, you could maybe consider that maybe whatever way other people interpret your words might just be reasonable and you could perhaps stand to benefit from admitting that, then elaborating what you meant, instead of lashing out on everyone and playing a victim with overly dramatized tone that is pretty much guaranteed to get people confused and vocal about your behavior.
What would you yourself deem “not being safe” to mean in context of people in general? Now what would you take it to mean when the commenter you quoted there said that the opposition is dangerous and deranged, hoping AOC stay safe, and you responding hoping AOC not to stay safe. In the same context where the clear danger and derangement is stated? In fact, quoting the very comment doing just that?
What it means is that I hope AOC stays bold in her opposition instead of letting the threats dissuade her from defending democracy against fascism. C’mon, was it really that unclear?!
Well initially it was. Later down this thread in my second reply I was just trying to point out why it got the reception it got. As I said initially, I agree with the sentiment, it was just not well put at first, even I misread it. I get you now.
You should’ve probably responded with something like this from the start, but I’m glad it was my misunderstanding your message, not you advocating for what I, along with some others apparently, interpreted from it.
Sorry about the tone in my first reply. I hope you see it came from a well meaning place in defense of safety in terms of staying alive and unharmed, not in opposition to being bold, as the inverse of “safe”.
We lose a lot in the translation when our only medium is text, and we are all from across the globe, trying to communicate in a language that is foreign to me and many others, I bet. But c’est la vie.
There seems to be a real lack of basic comprehension in people’s responses. I agree with you. Staying safe, under fascism, means playing it safe, and the USA needs leaders like AOC who won’t do this but will speak out even if it puts them in danger.
Yes, I know what you meant. But the reality is, defeating fascism is not a safe thing to do. If we all stick with the mentality of being safe, we will lose our rights forever.
Edit: I guess the downvotes I’m getting just go to show how many of us are fascists and/or cowards.
Edit 2: keep downvoting without replying to refute my point, fascist cowards. You’re only proving me right with every click. You have no fucking rebuttal and you know it.
Yeah, no. That’s not a choice you get to make for AOC.
It’s not even a choice you get to make for anyone but yourself.
I’ll put it another way, perhaps more clearly:
If you volunteer your own safety and even your life in the cause of defending others from evil, you’re a hero. I mean that sincerely.
But when you freely volunteer someone else’s safety and even their own life for a cause that you have determined they should suffer and die for, no matter how noble or ethical, you are just another arrogant prick who has strayed SO far from your own lane that you’ve become blind to your own anti-fascist cause, even the moral lines you 100% believe you’re defending.
Add to this the fact that AOC is female, and how many men believe women are disposable and even interchangeable, and that just adds a whole 'nother level of self-engaged fuckery to your outburst.
In case all this isn’t clear enough for you, FASCISTS are the ones who gleefully sacrifice others to their cause and blithely determine them all to be sacrifices they’re willing to make on the behalf of the majority. Maybe go back and think about what you’re really advocating before you adopt the exact same tactics you decry in others to make it happen.
In the meantime you richly deserve every downvote you get.
Yeah, no. That’s not a choice you get to make for AOC.
And I’m not!
But @prole over there thinks it’s somehow a good thing to encourage her to stop. Since when is he entitled to tell her to second-guess the decision she already made?
It’s ironic that he’s the one who committed the offense you think was so heinous – trying to tell AOC what to do – but you’re piling on me instead for pushing back on it.
But when you freely volunteer someone else’s safety
Fuck off and quit lying about what I said.
Add to this the fact that AOC is female, and how many men believe women are disposable and even interchangeable, and that just adds a whole 'nother level of self-engaged fuckery to your outburst.
Now you reveal your own dishonesty and bad faith, pulling implications of sexism out of thin fucking air. You should be ashamed of yourself. Apologize. Now.
I don’t have a problem with remembering what you wrote. You do.
First of all, no you fucking didn’t. You quoted my second comment, but not the first (let alone the context I was replying to). Quit lying.
Second, exactly where the fuck in…
Yes, I know what you meant. But the reality is, defeating fascism is not a safe thing to do. If we all stick with the mentality of being safe, we will lose our rights forever.
…did I demand or “volunteer” anything from AOC? Point it out!
Oh that’s right, you can’t because I said no such thing and you fucking know it.
Read it again carefully . . . but thank you for confirming the accuracy.
You should read it again, because you didn’t confirm a goddamn thing.
Not everyone who genuinely supports the rights of women is a woman, lol.
No shit, Sherlock – literally nobody here but you ever implied otherwise. Maybe you’re the sexist who just made that major discovery for yourself, LOL!
Bottom line is, you have some real “lack of reading comprehension” and “making bad-faith baseless accusation” problems.
Cool, you managed to complete the quoting you had previously claimed to have done. Half credit for belated honesty, I guess?
Now point out the part where any of that is me “freely volunteer[ing]” any fucking thing at all from AOC, or where I claimed it’s “a choice [I] get to make for AOC.” Put up or shut up.
The bottom line is that I was just making a rhetorical point about how it’s unrealistic to expect resisting fascism to be safe, and for that, you read into it a whole pile of shit that was not there in order to attack me.
Now point out the part where any of that is me “freely volunteer[ing]” any fucking thing at all from AOC, or where I claimed it’s “a choice [I] get to make for AOC.” Put up or shut up.
It’s already in their quote
No, don’t.
And for what? What’s your purpose here?
To keep poking you to make stupid comments showing your lack of reading comprehension
You know what I meant.
Yes, I know what you meant. But the reality is, defeating fascism is not a safe thing to do. If we all stick with the mentality of being safe, we will lose our rights forever.
Edit: I guess the downvotes I’m getting just go to show how many of us are fascists and/or cowards.
Edit 2: keep downvoting without replying to refute my point, fascist cowards. You’re only proving me right with every click. You have no fucking rebuttal and you know it.
You’re getting downvoted for being a dick. Stop being a dick and maybe people will listen to you. You can be correct and have a counterproductive attitude. Especially knowing that Lemmy is largely filled with people who align with you.
Nope, I was getting downvoted before that. Try again.
The real reason is that people don’t want to hear what a dire situation we’re actually in. They want to delude themselves into thinking that “safe” politics as usual is capable of solving the problems we’re faced with to day, but it isn’t. So they shoot the messenger.
Ok chicken little
See, this shit right here is exactly why statements like the one I made are necessary. Trump is attacking the press, sending people to gulags without due process, and all sorts of other blatantly tyrannical shit, and he just refuses to see it.
Yeah, because you were being a dick on your first comment.
Just say “my bad” and be more thoughtful going forward, that’s all it takes.
TIL not wanting to discourage standing up to fascism makes me a “dick.”
🙄
While grue may have said it rude and crude, they aren’t wrong.
The longer people mill about waiting for someone else to lead them - vs organizing, preparing, etc themselves - allows Trump and his syncophants more time to settle into power.
Wait too long and Americans miss their chance to shut this shit down.
Indeed, exactly this. They are, just like the nazis did, using the small window of opportunity (where most folks still don’t realise what’s going on) to disable the basic checks and balances our modern system of governance provides.
However, as most of us in the West have such little understanding of how it would be to live under autocratic or even fascist rule, it’s just hard to grasp that we’re mere months away from precisely that happening.
I get where Grue is coming from.
You can tell yourself what you want, but I agree with your view, and still had to downvote just to reduce the toxicity hogging space from up top. I use the votes as signal boosters / signal dampeners. Lower voted, for most people, end up in the bottom, where most don’t reach them.
Some people don’t want to hear it, because they know it by heart already. Some because it’s not productive and only serves to lower morale. Some, because that’s just defeatist and/or escalatory. Whatever the reason, I’m certain most people do not need to hear that shit. What purpose would it even serve? Things are not as dire as that and you know it too, you are just being sensational for whatever reason you’ve conjured yourself. I even agree that things have to hurt before meaningful action starts to happen at a meaningful level, but hoping specifically someone to get hurt and/or not stay safe is just you being a prick. Nobody needs to be exposed to that.
What the fuck is wrong with you?! That is not even slightly what I said and you fucking know it. Telling hateful lies like that is 10000% more “prick” behavior than anything I did!
There’s a big fucking difference between hoping that somebody will not listen to cowardly advice, and hoping they get hurt. I shouldn’t have to explain that to the entire fucking thread, but I’m apparently surrounded by idiots.
That is a direct quote from you.
What would you yourself deem “not being safe” to mean in context of people in general? Now what would you take it to mean when the commenter you quoted there said that the opposition is dangerous and deranged, hoping AOC stay safe, and you responding hoping AOC not to stay safe. In the same context where the clear danger and derangement is stated? In fact, quoting the very comment doing just that?
You can keep acting shocked and mistreated as though everyone around you is stupid or malicious or both… or, you know, you could maybe consider that maybe whatever way other people interpret your words might just be reasonable and you could perhaps stand to benefit from admitting that, then elaborating what you meant, instead of lashing out on everyone and playing a victim with overly dramatized tone that is pretty much guaranteed to get people confused and vocal about your behavior.
Just saying.
What it means is that I hope AOC stays bold in her opposition instead of letting the threats dissuade her from defending democracy against fascism. C’mon, was it really that unclear?!
Well initially it was. Later down this thread in my second reply I was just trying to point out why it got the reception it got. As I said initially, I agree with the sentiment, it was just not well put at first, even I misread it. I get you now.
You should’ve probably responded with something like this from the start, but I’m glad it was my misunderstanding your message, not you advocating for what I, along with some others apparently, interpreted from it.
Sorry about the tone in my first reply. I hope you see it came from a well meaning place in defense of safety in terms of staying alive and unharmed, not in opposition to being bold, as the inverse of “safe”.
We lose a lot in the translation when our only medium is text, and we are all from across the globe, trying to communicate in a language that is foreign to me and many others, I bet. But c’est la vie.
There seems to be a real lack of basic comprehension in people’s responses. I agree with you. Staying safe, under fascism, means playing it safe, and the USA needs leaders like AOC who won’t do this but will speak out even if it puts them in danger.
If everyone around you is an asshole…
Yeah, no. That’s not a choice you get to make for AOC.
It’s not even a choice you get to make for anyone but yourself.
I’ll put it another way, perhaps more clearly:
If you volunteer your own safety and even your life in the cause of defending others from evil, you’re a hero. I mean that sincerely.
But when you freely volunteer someone else’s safety and even their own life for a cause that you have determined they should suffer and die for, no matter how noble or ethical, you are just another arrogant prick who has strayed SO far from your own lane that you’ve become blind to your own anti-fascist cause, even the moral lines you 100% believe you’re defending.
Add to this the fact that AOC is female, and how many men believe women are disposable and even interchangeable, and that just adds a whole 'nother level of self-engaged fuckery to your outburst.
In case all this isn’t clear enough for you, FASCISTS are the ones who gleefully sacrifice others to their cause and blithely determine them all to be sacrifices they’re willing to make on the behalf of the majority. Maybe go back and think about what you’re really advocating before you adopt the exact same tactics you decry in others to make it happen.
In the meantime you richly deserve every downvote you get.
EDITED TO ADD ORIGINAL QUOTE:
And I’m not!
But @prole over there thinks it’s somehow a good thing to encourage her to stop. Since when is he entitled to tell her to second-guess the decision she already made?
It’s ironic that he’s the one who committed the offense you think was so heinous – trying to tell AOC what to do – but you’re piling on me instead for pushing back on it.
Fuck off and quit lying about what I said.
Now you reveal your own dishonesty and bad faith, pulling implications of sexism out of thin fucking air. You should be ashamed of yourself. Apologize. Now.
Yeah, that’s why I quoted you in full.
I don’t have a problem with remembering what you wrote. You do.
Read it again carefully . . . but thank you for confirming the accuracy. Not everyone who genuinely supports the rights of women is a woman, lol.
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
First of all, no you fucking didn’t. You quoted my second comment, but not the first (let alone the context I was replying to). Quit lying.
Second, exactly where the fuck in…
…did I demand or “volunteer” anything from AOC? Point it out!
Oh that’s right, you can’t because I said no such thing and you fucking know it.
You should read it again, because you didn’t confirm a goddamn thing.
No shit, Sherlock – literally nobody here but you ever implied otherwise. Maybe you’re the sexist who just made that major discovery for yourself, LOL!
Bottom line is, you have some real “lack of reading comprehension” and “making bad-faith baseless accusation” problems.
Your comment https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/43455840/18472152
Cool, you managed to complete the quoting you had previously claimed to have done. Half credit for belated honesty, I guess?
Now point out the part where any of that is me “freely volunteer[ing]” any fucking thing at all from AOC, or where I claimed it’s “a choice [I] get to make for AOC.” Put up or shut up.
The bottom line is that I was just making a rhetorical point about how it’s unrealistic to expect resisting fascism to be safe, and for that, you read into it a whole pile of shit that was not there in order to attack me.
And for what? What’s your purpose here?
It’s already in their quote
To keep poking you to make stupid comments showing your lack of reading comprehension
You’re getting downvoted because you’re uneducated.
Okay then, educate me. Tell me exactly which part of what I wrote wasn’t correct. Be specific, please – after all, “I’m uneducated.”