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    2 days ago

    Since we are in a post election situation, by constantly scape goating voters, you are doing one sided criticism.

    Trump helps genocide and he is a bad guy, Biden and Harris help genocide but the voters should have accepted it essentially.

    If we refuse to hold the dems accountable for their actions which directly led to Trump winning, they will plot the same course for the next election.

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      16 hours ago

      If we refuse to hold the dems accountable for their actions which directly led to Trump winning, they will plot the same course for the next election.

      Yes, that’s the idea. No centrist wants to stop the genocide. It’s not like it’s something centrists do want to stop, like raising the minimum wage or universal healthcare or cannabis legalization or anything they run on.

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      Am I? More people voted against Trump than for him. If the third-party voters accepted that they can’t change the rigged system by voting third-party, Harris would’ve won.

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        The were too small a demographic to listen to, but they were so influential that they’re responsible for trump.

        Sounds like they’re kingmakers and maybe they should have been treated accordingly. But that will require belatedly abandoning support for genocide, so centrists never will.

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        If the dems had catered to voters instead of kneeling in front of a foreign apartheid state and its genocide, Harris would have won.

        Politicians can choose what they represent and the platform they put forward. I don’t want to have to vote for genocide so democracy can live again, I want the dems to drop their pro-genocide stance. Blaming voters is the opposite of asking for change.

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              Are you for real?

              Trump repealed restrictions on Israeli settlements on Palestinian territory. Netanyahu was so grateful, he named a settlement after him in occupied Golan Heights. He also said Israel needs to “finish the job” and stop recording their atrocities because they’re “losing the PR war.”

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                What a shock that liberals care more about what Trump says than what Biden did. The Democrats fully supported Isreal “finishing the job,” but you only care about it when Trump says it.

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                  A lot of good your moral superiority is doing for the Palestinians now, huh? Upgrading the 5-ton bombs to 10-tonners, with plans to pave over the West Bank for a billionaire resort.

                  You really think that would’ve happened under Harris? Get real.

                  Also, I don’t know what liberals you’re referring to. I’m a progressive.

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                    A lot of good your moral superiority is doing for the Palestinians now, huh?

                    The same thing democrats’ moral cowardice did for them.

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                    Also, I don’t know what liberals you’re referring to. I’m a progressive.

                    As I’ve explained elsewhere in this post, unless you want to abolish private ownership of the means of production, you’re probably a liberal. The vast majority of both Democrats and Republicans are liberals. Progressive liberals like Bernie Sanders are still liberals. Sanders will say that It’s OK to Be Angry About Capitalism, and he’ll complain about crony capitalism and über capitalism, but he’ll never question capitalism as such. He’ll never question private ownership of the means of production, in the sanctity of private property.

                    Almost the only people who aren’t liberals are either socialists or fascists, and even fascists believe in capitalism just as liberals do.

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                    Upgrading the 5-ton bombs to 10-tonners,

                    It’s telling that you only care about symbolic bullshit like this, almost like you only care about finding moral liscense to support genocide. Isreal had all the bomb it needed under Biden; his symbolic restrictions saved exactly ZERO Palestinian lives. But you don’t care about Palestinian lives, you care about symbolic acts.

                    with plans to pave over the West Bank for a billionaire resort.

                    Those plans were there under Biden too, you just are only willing to admit it when it’s Trump doing that. In that sense, Biden was even worse; because liberals like you are genocide deniers when it’s your team doing it.

                    You really think that would’ve happened under Harris? Get real.

                    Yes, 100% it would, genocide denier. The only thing that would have been different under Harris is that you would have pretended it wasn’t happening, and the US would still be massacring Yemeni on behalf of Isreal.

                    Also, I don’t know what liberals you’re referring to. I’m a progressive.

                    Progressives don’t support genocidal fascists.