I can’t remember who said it, but somebody once framed this as “You can make a place easy to drive around or you can make it worth visiting, but you can’t do both”

Everyone I know wants to live on the side of high speed multi highway interchange. -s

I live in Vancouver and the difference between transit oriented and car oriented communities is huge. One feels like an actual city and the other feels desolate even if it’s in the middle of the city.

This is remarkably true.

When I met my wife she was living in Thamesmead, a suburb of London that was built in the '60s to be a grand example of modernist city planning, with roads at ground level and raised walkways for people to get around.

Trouble is, the place has no real town centre. And over the past fifty years most of the walkways have crumbled so they’ve either been demolished or barriered off. These days you have to drive to get to, well, anything, and it’s fucking depressing.

I agree in the abstract, but I think you need to meet people where they are. And most working poor in the US rely on cars. I like NJB, and haven’t seen ghoulish behavior from him. But most “urbanists” love making cars even more expensive for the poors, without really considering the consequences

Bike lanes: 👍👍

Public transit: 👍👍👍👍

Aggressive ticketing, increasing parking rates, no on street overnight parking, car taxes, etc: 👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎

Tell me about it. I grew up and have most lived in suburban Southern California. I do take a train and an express bus when I work onsite, but if I had to depend on the bus for things like everyday shopping? A simple trip to the supermarket and home would be 3 hours at least.