• ricecake@sh.itjust.works
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    13 hours ago

    The president doesn’t get to change the constitution, or amend it. Congress doesn’t even have that power, the most they can do is present it to the states.

    What you’re doing is arguing that a non-binding statement or a treaty that the US isn’t a party to is somehow a better source for morality and defining what constitutes a human right than decency or thinking for yourself.
    Don’t outsource your conscience to dead guys from the 40s.

    If someone was born here, they can be one of us. Both constitutionally and morally. The UN and Trump have fuck all to do with morality. Kicking someone out of their home because of where their parents are from is wrong.

    As for the lawsuit… Where would they sue? On what possible grounds do you think that would even get a hearing? Who do you think would enforce the ruling?
    The US has signed no treaty agreeing to not make people stateless.
    What possible standing would anyone have to argue in court that a country denied them citizenship, particularly if, as you say, no one has a right to citizenship in any particular country? Or is jus soli citizenship a right but only if you don’t have any other option?

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      2 hours ago

      Someone definitely have the power to amend the Constitution, seeing as you have several amendments. No?

      Again. What you want Human Rights to be. Doesn’t change what they actually are.

      You don’t think that everyone will have different opinions of what should and shouldn’t be included? So how would you ever be able to say what they are?

      Why do you seem to think that morality would be limited to Human Rights? Things can not be a right, and still immoral. Morality is also a very subjective thing.

      What isn’t subjective. Is the Human Rights as determined by the UN.

      I’m not going to argue about who and who doesn’t get to be a US citizen. But changing the way nationality is given, is factually not a Human Rights issue.

      You can say it’s a constitutional issue. But it sure isn’t a Human Rights one.

      As to the last part. I’m not a lawyer. I’m not going to speculate in the legal defense. You asked what they would do, sue? And the answer is yes.