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    $37TRILLION BEFORE or AFTER Trump’s BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL THAT ADDS TRILLIONS TO OUR DEBT WHILE ELIMINATING MEDICAID AND MEDICARE!

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    Republicans hold power, of course we’re not worried. The abacus only gets broken out when Democrats are in office you silly goose

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        90% of the strength of the USD comes from global savings and investments.

        When national debt increases, the bond market is incentivized. The bond and stock markets have an inverse relationship, creating a bear market for investors, and deflating the USD internationally.

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          Deflating USD internationally is good for exports though and that seems to be in line with what Trump is promising, no?

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            Sure, if we’d already have shifted to a manufacturing economy. We’re still substantially dependent on imports. A weaker dollar means more expensive goods for consumers, on top of the import tariffs.

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              We’re still substantially dependent on imports.

              Don’t forget the low unemployment rate combined with deportations.

              Trump expecting magical manufacturing elves to appear in magical workshops and start making toys for Xmas.

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                With all of the current layoffs in logistics, there will be plenty of skilled and unskilled employees looking for work.

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              Sure, just saying that it’s not black and white. Economics and fiscal policy have been drenched in political ideologies but they’re just tools. Some people might think that if they had well paying manufacturing jobs they’d be afford to buy that expensive domestically produced stuff. American fiscal policy since the 70s has thrown people in manufacturing under the bus (under the guidance of both parties) so it’s natural there’d be some knee-jerk reaction in form of Trump eventually.

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                There are very few small businesses in manufacturing. Creating jobs in unskilled labor is far from helpful to our working class. Most of the prosperity from such a shift will go to corporations and shareholders, while the increased cost of imported goods falls squarely on the working class.

                Even if it ‘works,’ it doesn’t work for 95% of us.

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                  Dunno, the most prosperous time for the US was when it was manufacturing things. Probably has something to do with 90% tax rate on the wealthiest though too. Either way, neoliberalism taught people that they can only count on themselves so if some people voted against status quo it could have been that things weren’t that good for them.

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    Borrowing in an asset that you create at any desired amount (and allowed private entities to do so as well) seems fairly safe. Sleep safe, United Statians.

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      That’s the thing though–if they can create more at any time, why bother “borrowing” in the first place? Because of the debt, the government pays over a billion dollars every day on the interest on that loan.

      It’s not the economy I’m concerned about, it’s channeling billions into the pockets of the wealthy through interest payments–billions that are paid by the working class.

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        it’s channeling billions into the pockets of the wealthy through interest payments

        System is working as intended and the only solution is to quit being poor 🤡

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        That’s the thing though–if they can create more at any time, why bother “borrowing” in the first place?

        Tying up economies of debt issuer and debt holder seems to be the reason for the US. For debt holder it’s a fairly safe way to park money but also exert some power over US if they’re big enough. Realistically what Ben Bernake is saying in that interview is that you could replace one with the other depending on circumstances but that actually threatens capital holders hence why it’s not done like that.

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    I remember when japan went over 100% gdp and everyone held their breath. Its amazing how well this house of cards keeps on holding up despite it getting bigger and bigger. No one wants any of the others to fall because they know what will happens once the first domino falls.