Hey all. I’d like to open an official discussion regarding the upturning of the prior Hexbear party line on an :israel-cool: emote proper with the unambiguous Zionist flag.
I want to preface this by saying this is not in a ‘ceding the issue’ way. Over the past year I’ve been trying to engage in self-crit w/rt the chauvinism I’ve internalized growing up in a Liberal Zionist household, and my personal viewpoint on it did a 180 some months back, so I want to reopen this discussion proper in my personal capacities as Self-Appointed Emote Czar.
The reason it’s taken long enough beyond that is prior to July, I was essentially half-engaged with the site in order to finish out my degree. After that, it’s been mostly inertia of confirming with the admins and other /c/Judaism mods, as well as having to be rigorous about my job search personally giving me little free time to coordinate this.
I do not want to center myself in this conversation more than I inadvertently already have, so I will leave my own opinion on the issue as a comment rather than explaining further here.
The consensus we’ve roughly come to is to open up the discussion in an official manner for a day or so. After that, I’ll weigh the discussion in an entirely vibes-based manner (sorry Dean Norris enjoyers) and we’ll alter Hexbear party line on it accordingly.
You can’t seriously be trying to conflate burning the flag of a nation with Auschwitz, right? You’re minimizing the holocaust by doing this.
Terrorism.
Also ahistorical because holocaust survivors had the option of going to western Europe or the US and not just Israel (also THE USSR FOR ONE!
the people who liberated them)
In fact, I’d assume people who were cajoled into entering Israel would leave after the numerous wars and racist terrorism that occurred right after the holocaust and the nakba, but it turns out that just being a victim doesn’t excuse you from the consequences of your actions.
And of course the terrorism that the zionists did disguised as arabs and muslims in other nations to scare their jewish populations into fleeing to israel.
It’s rancid all the way fucking down, there is no peaceful zionist and there never will be.
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Keep digging you’ve struck corn cobs
the nakba was a couple of bombs less gooo
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I’m just hate piling on you, I don’t give a shit about arguing with you, you’re so deep in the hasbra sauce it’s beyond parody.
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Delusional sophist cope. Answering “terrorism” to “how did occupied Palestine become predominantly Jewish” is different from “THEY ONLY USED TERRORISM”, the assumption you are coping based on.
Goddamn you fucking hasbara bots are insufferable trash. Grow a brain or shut the fuck up.
*Also it’s maddening how neurodivergence is being used as an excuse for being a zionazi.
I didn’t
I think the person equating burning the Israeli flag to Auschwitz is probably the contrarian. Jews were killed in the Holocaust,
represents the killing of Israeli soldiers who are soldiers of the “Jewish state”, should we remove that too?
So the link here is fire? Using fire means, in your mind, “this guy wants to burn all the jews”???
What are you even trying to say here. Fuck me for saying terrorism, and also the terrorism they did was effective? Hello?
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Yes. Literally look around.
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
I would burn the quran if it were the national symbol of the Muslim State of Islamriel, etched onto the land and its people like a human made cancer and I wouldn’t lose any sleep over my dad being 1% less safe in the dogshit Islamophobic US or whatever (and I wouldn’t know because all cases of islamophobia would be tied to antiIslamrielism).
Jews aren’t the only fucking people who were victims of genocide. This isn’t an attempt at holocaust trivialization as it is an attempt to internationalize the understanding of genocide outside of “the holocaust industry” (taken from Norman Finkelstein) that westerners are spoonfed to make them support Israel.
Cynically if Israel didn’t exist, then the holocaust would be one of those footnote genocides that only loser leftists would care about. That’s how fucking warping Israel is.
Jews weren’t even the only victims of the holocaust. Slavs, Romani, Black people, gays, Jehovas witnesses, disabled people…
Leftists, trans people
Oh yes, the people who actually became footnotes in the genocide as their rights were stripped away after the West pretended to liberate the camps alongside the USSR.
I wish white people pretended to fake care about my genocide, I don’t know if it would make a material difference in my life but maybe it’s only the thoughts that count!
Unless it’s the pissraeli flag. You are a zionazi shit stain using the holocaust to protect pissrael. Climb into a vat of acid and stay there.