Hey all. I’d like to open an official discussion regarding the upturning of the prior Hexbear party line on an :israel-cool: emote proper with the unambiguous Zionist flag.
I want to preface this by saying this is not in a ‘ceding the issue’ way. Over the past year I’ve been trying to engage in self-crit w/rt the chauvinism I’ve internalized growing up in a Liberal Zionist household, and my personal viewpoint on it did a 180 some months back, so I want to reopen this discussion proper in my personal capacities as Self-Appointed Emote Czar.
The reason it’s taken long enough beyond that is prior to July, I was essentially half-engaged with the site in order to finish out my degree. After that, it’s been mostly inertia of confirming with the admins and other /c/Judaism mods, as well as having to be rigorous about my job search personally giving me little free time to coordinate this.
I do not want to center myself in this conversation more than I inadvertently already have, so I will leave my own opinion on the issue as a comment rather than explaining further here.
The consensus we’ve roughly come to is to open up the discussion in an official manner for a day or so. After that, I’ll weigh the discussion in an entirely vibes-based manner (sorry Dean Norris enjoyers) and we’ll alter Hexbear party line on it accordingly.
How do you want me to phrase it? If you expect me to say “I want to burn the Star of David” then I’m sorry, I won’t say that because I don’t feel that way at all. I want to burn the flag of Israel, though, because it’s the flag of Israel. That looks pretty simple in my mind.
This bit is only coherent if you think Israel represents Jews.
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I’ll happily say that I want to burn an Israeli flag whose most prominent feature is the star of David, because I think context matters. If you understood dialectics, you’d understand this too
WRT your second point, if there was one Jewish person in this thread who felt that way then I’d have to cede that the argument was at least somewhat valid (because you’re ultimately basing it on Jewish people’s feelings) but @DirtyPair@hexbear.net’s own comment already argued the diametrically opposite point, that they feel that it’s antisemitic to not have the emoji. So how do you square that circle?
This is the exact argument used by the judge who just recently created federal precedent to charge anti-zionist protestors with hate crimes, immediately escalating them to federal crimes. This precedent, and your argument here, will be used to fuck over activists across the country with trumped up federal crimes.
"The Star of David — emblazoned upon the Israeli flag — symbolizes the Jewish race,” the judge said, comparing attacks against the Star of David to using racial slurs against Black people, and dismissing the defense’s argument that such an offense could be “an objection to state policies.” In future lawsuits alleging antisemitism stemming from anti-Israel activism, for example, plaintiffs will be able to cite the Sumrall lawsuit as evidence that there is a legal standard equating anti-Zionism with anti-Jewish discrimination. Mainen said the case would likely be “heavily cited” in the future.https://archive.is/MTtAM
and if you want to attempt to nullify equivalencies by arguing scope and context you can make that argument, but its undeniable that this stance is at the very least normalizing rhetoric that will be used to fuck over anti-zionist activists, and for no good reason besides “optics”
So you would say all people burning the flag irl are engaging in Holocaust-based antisemitism because the symbol is on the flag?
Ok
A star of David only represents Jews when it’s not on the pissraeli flag you brainless genocidal dog. Its just that simple but you fascist scum like to equate Zionazism with Judaism. Death to pissrael and it’s enablers.