And does it matter if they show up on applicants LinkedIn profiles or just resumes?

(I know some ATS slurp up LinkedIn profile data, but not sure how prominently it’s shown.)

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    I view all of them equally negatively in the sense that I don’t care about them at all. When I’m hiring I’m looking at experience, not pieces of paper (certs or degrees). More corporate companies probably do care more though, at least in the automated portion of their hiring funnel.

    Though with that said, from anecdotal experience, a lot of certifications tends to be a red flag as I’ve found those to usually be the weakest candidates.

    For standard software development jobs I think they’re completely unnecessary, but I could see something like an AWS cert being valued for a dev-ops job though I’ve never hired for dev-ops so I can’t speak from experience there…

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      I agree. In my experience certifications had a strong correlation with weak candidates.

      And I also agree there could be some exceptions.

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        I have a master’s in CS. Currently teaching freshman/sophomore level courses, and have regularly done little side projects and internships in development. However, my only *career * experience is in desktop support and operations. Since I’ve been out of the game to focus on the master’s degree and my programming chops, I thought I would try for a Networking+ and Security+ to better poise myself for a DevOps position. This thread has me seriously second-guessing that career plan.

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          Get a portfolio, not a certificate. Portfolios actually both teach you to be better and are usually appreciated when hiring. I never even look at anyone’s certificates, and usually not even CVs before seeing at least some code they have written.

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    Disclosure: I interview people (developers, mostly but all IT sorts) and examine resumes regularly…

    Certifications? No. If you have a lot of them I think to myself, “they made it a hobby.” I would not view them negatively but they’re not important unless this person is brand spankin new to the profession (e.g. young person or someone who’s switching careers). Then it shows that they have a bare minimum of knowledge in whatever the certification is for.

    The experience portion of the resume is just something to talk about. As in, “it says here you worked on AI stuff… That must’ve been interesting. Tell me about that.” But ultimately it too is relatively unimportant (to me).

    Honestly, unless you had a really super interesting job I already know how it went, haha. I used to be a consultant and have worked closely with all kinds of IT people at all kinds of companies in all kinds of industries. A wide variety of activities in any given occupation will be viewed more positively than someone who worked on the exact same thing for 7 years straight but that’s also very, very minor and doesn’t really matter!

    You know what does matter? The interview. I can tell within about ten minutes of asking someone highly technical questions if they’ll be able to do the job. Then it’s just a little bit of follow-up to make sure I can give them tasks and they’ll go and work on them without regular pestering. That’s all I need!

    I don’t even need to look at the resume at this point. Not really! Like I said, it’s just something to talk about. All that matters is that they have a minimum set of skills and the right attitude when I intentionally ask them impossible questions that no one would know off the top of their head (hint: “I have no idea. I’d have to look that up.” is the correct response).

    IT changes so often it has become impossible to just know everything you need to do your job. As a result it has become important to know what you don’t know and be prepared to research stuff. Nothing is simple anymore.

    I don’t care what school you went to or even if you went to school, LOL! All I care about is that you have a bare minimum threshold of skills and you have the right attitude (and can communicate well). If you didn’t get the job despite having the right skills and attitude it’s probably because some other person knew a bit more than you and you’re just unlucky 🤷

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    Certs for me can be a net negative - if you have one, I expect you to know shit. An answer of “I don’t know, but here’s my take on it” is a good answer in my book, because we can’t all know everything and I’m generally more interested in attitude and thought process than pure knowledge. But that changes when you are certified and brag about it on your resume. That bar goes higher, for no apparent gain to be honest. Example: if you have “certified AWS Foo Bar” and you don’t know what a vpc is, that’s a red flag for me. It wouldn’t be otherwise, even if you had AWS experience listed, because maybe you were just working with ECS and didn’t need to know jack shit about vpcs.

    About the only situation in which a cert is a plus is when you have close to zero relevant experience. But all of the above still applies.

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    I think if there were a bunch of certificates, especially ones I haven’t heard of or a lot of low-level ones, I would suspect that you were using test dumps and trying to pad your resume.

    I think if you had a cloud certificate and a respectable linux certificate, that would suffice as “enough”. Any lab-based certificate is also more valuable than just a paper one.

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    Any certification that can be archieved by memorizing a “brain dump” I kinda view negatively.

    Also I generally dislike certifications, and would generally not get any myself. Most of them are like “Here memorize those random topics, that no one ever uses in real-file. Btw use the super expensive books that our organization wrote, you won’t find any other anyway!”

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    I consider them negatively. In general, candidates that focus on certificates correlate negatively with performing well at behavioral questions and coding questions. That’s not to say you shouldn’t get certificates, but if you’re putting them on your resume in lieu of actual experience then that’s a bad sign. And if you think the certificates equate to experience then that’s also a bad sign.