Hi,
I just joined and since I can see no other post (indexing issue? or is the community that recent? ;) I thought maybe I could post something.
Iām nearing my 60s and Iāve been using pen and paper most of my life. From schoolāeven it was already on its way out back in the early 70s kids were still taught handwriting using a fountain pen, at least here in Franceāup to this very day.
Privacy is is one of the two reasons I still use pen and paper instead of any of the many apps and services I have tested and learned to use. The second reason being the⦠satisfaction handwriting brings me. Iām considered a decent typist (I got my first Apple computer in the very early 80s, and a few years before that I was quite happily writing shitty stories on my grand-dadās already old Olympia SG1 typewriter, a wonderful machine on which I learned to type⦠and to stain my fingers, playing with the ink ribbon :p) but nothing beats the simple joy of writing in silent, hand on paper. Early in the morning (most of the time, I like to write between 4AM and 8AM while my spouse is still sleeping and while the city around us is still quiet)
I draft most of what I write longhand, using loose leafs (I prefer the flexibility of being able to move the sheets as I see fit, thatās also why in the 90s I was so obsessed with Filofax) and either a (mechanical) pencil or a fountain penāthose two device are friendly rivals in smoothness (depending the paper) and, unlike most ballpoint pens, require no effort at all to write, the hand doesnāt need to press hard quite the contrary, which helps write longer & with less fatigue.
I also journal longhand. I have been doing so since I was a (not that happy) little boy.
Talking journaling, Iām the admin at !journaling@sh.itjust.works which has been on a bit of a pause but the place is open and do welcome people willing to post content, tips and tricks, questions, suggestions,⦠The community is open to both analog and digital journaling, btw.
But my main use of pen and paper is my Zettelkasten, aka an endless pile of index card (A6) that I keep organized and indexed. Itās the place where I store all my reading notes (I read a lot, and always take notes while doing so), all the references, quotes, ideas and any type of content (text, images,ā¦) I want to be able to quickly refer to later on when I work on one of my own projects.
Lhumann, the dude that formalized this concept of Zettelkasten (which is in reality much older than that word, people have been using it for centuries) described his Zettel as his second brain. And he was right. That thing is not just a passive pile of cards. Itās smart and it can often be surprisingly⦠stimulating to browse through it. Just flipping through a bunch of cards will often bring unexpected ideas. Itās a true partner with whom one can have a meaningful discussion, like when one is reading a book, a good book I mean.
Here is the two most important tips I can think of for anyone wanting to give it a try:
- Keep it simple. The key to a Zettel is the numbering/indexing. So keep the numbering simple (it can always evolve later on if you feel the need to). Also, donāt try to anticipate all categories, projects, whatever you think you may one day need. Start with what you actually need now (say in regard to a specific writing project/research youāre working on) and let your Zettel grow by itself as you go along. Itās one of the things that make it so powerful: it will grow with you. And, yes, this also means some part of it will not grow that much if at all, and some may even become stale, and you need to be fine with that.
- There is no need to spend a fortune on fancy materials, a nice fountain pens, a large pack of expensive index cards and luxurious storage boxes. Start with what you already have.
- Index cards: I use the back of old letters, recycled invoices, whatever decent paper I can get my hands on that I can cut to size (one A4 sheet makes four A6 cards, and itās easy to cut of them using a massicot).
Index cards are sturdier, thatās true but theyāre also (a lot more expensive and) thicker and if you start really using your Zettel you will quickly realize space in your storage box quickly becomes an issue. Also, most of the times those cards will be neatly stored in that storage box or laid flat on your desk, they donāt need to be that sturdy because theyāre not, say, library cards. - Storage boxes: I made my own out of⦠cardboard that I cut and assemble. If anyone is interested, I may post a short guide on my blog explaining how I do that but itās really simple (one only needs some spare thick cardboard from a delivery package, white glue and a cutter/hobby knife) and itās really sturdy. Before that, I used to use oldā¦shoe boxes.
Edit: typos and a missing sentence.
I didnāt know much about Zettelkasten until I tried using Zettlr, which is basically a slightly different, better, Obsidian that can also export PDFs and handle latex in addition to markdown.
Can you tell me more about how your organize your physical Zettelkastenās indexing/numbering? Like do you bother to number each card individually so you have an index somewhere that has each card topic written down, or do you just give them general numbers for a topic/category and then stuff them in the box any order within that categoryās section?
Iām split between physical vs electronic Zettel, but I like the idea of it being physical right now because Iāve started using just a regular little notebook in my pocket for taking notes, copying out recipes Iām making to avoid needing to unlock a phone that automatically locks itself, writing grocery lists or to-do lists or measurements or other such things. Easier to write entries if I can bring cards and pen with me wherever Iām at rather than have to copy it into a computer at a desk.
I didnāt know much about Zettelkasten until I tried using Zettlr,
I quite liked Zettlr and I must say I had very enriching discussions with his dev, a few years ago. He had a real good vision & understanding of what a Zettel-like app sh/could be. Imho, it was leagues ahead than all the others apps⦠but still not as functional, for me at least, as my simple pile of index cards.
Iām split between physical vs electronic Zettel
Privacy (and control over my data and who can access it) is the main reason why I remain analog (even more so with something as intimate as what I think on sometimes very delicate subjects: I know I cannot trust digital and even if I can (Linux is great, I would not want to go back to Apple) it can still bug and fail me at the worst time), but like my previous paragraph may have hinted at I never was hostile to digital per se. I became hostile when the telemetry/tracking/privacy soon to be outlawed nightmare began and when the subscription craziness became the norm.
Iāve started using just a regular little notebook in my pocket for taking notes,
I do that too, save that I use an A6 notebook (like my index cards) and write on the long side, so I can simply remove whatever page I think is worth it, add a number and index it to store it in the Zettel. Being lazy as Iām is a huge boost in finding simple solutions ;)
Can you tell me more about how your organize your physical Zettelkastenās indexing/numbering?
Like do you bother to number each card individually so you have an index somewhere that has each card topic written down, or do you just give them general numbers for a topic/category and then stuff them in the box any order within that categoryās section?Each card has a unique number (itās required for the Zettel to work), the numbering format itself doesnāt matter much if at all. It just need to be unique (which is easy to do) and it can be anything. As a matter of fact, over the time my ānumbering schemeā changed more than once⦠without any issue and without the need to renumber the existing notes. I would not want to do that ever.
What truly matter is how you index it, and how your cards can be linked to one another.
I have an index for whatever notion I work with or Iām interested in. Some of them have a single entry under their first letter followed by numbers pointing to the relevant cards. Say, Once an entry tarts having too many cards linked to it, I will strike it out and put a link to a new index card, that will be dedicated to that specific topic. An example will make it clearer:
Say, I have a āDā card listing anything relevant that starts with a āDā (duck, dance, dirt,ā¦) but then I also have a ādemocracyā entry that is starting to grow too much. I strike it out on that firs card, add a link to āDEMOCRACY (D)ā (which is a new card with that title that I will add to my index) and I put all entries related to democracy on that card (and then on a second one and so on as much as I need to). If the I have say a growing number of entries for āEnd of democracyā I will simply strike it out on the 'DEMOCRACY (D)" card and create a new one titled āEND OF (DEMOCRACY) (D)ā. The ā(D)ā helps me quickly remember to put back it back at āDā (and not at āEā like I would be tempted reading its title). That index, plus the authorās index I also use, is the real workhouse of my Zettel .
I started my Zettel using a few academical categories (History, philosophy, Physics, Biology, Literature and stuff like that, I even created sub categories, for countries and era) but in the end itās more noise than itās useful as I will waste time trying to decide where I could put each new card which serves no purpose at all as I could simply have started numbering all of them from 1 to whatever thousands. Like I said, what really matters is the index (where categories already exist and have a purpose) and then itās the linking between the cards. Those links this is where the magic happens as far as Iām concerned: the index leads me to the specific info Iām searching for, say āDemocracyā but then while Iām reading all indexed card under that entry, I will often find direct links to other cards and that can trigger real unexpected associations.
Like, I remember having links to ethology under some of my cards related to Rousseau Social Contract, while those have links towards some prose or poetry (they too have their place in my Zettel) that will themselves point me back toward stuff related to, say, Augustine, or some passage from the Bible or to Plato, or a painting that will itself point me to some comment made by Proust on the same painting. Or maybe to some notions about light and wave length in physics or even to ship building in the XVII & XVIII century in Great Britain, or in France, that may point me back to ship building in Antique Greece and in Egypt too, that could then lead me to⦠other stuff.
itās rich and to me it really feels like having a conversation with a smarter version of myself.
Iām sorry, thatās along reply⦠I really should write a blog post instead.
I really should write a blog post instead.
Please!
Mmm⦠I will have to think about how I could do it without making it even longer (and more boring, if at all possible). Not promising anything, but, yeah, I will try to find something to do.



