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Ugh. Why are we shipping all this water around? Concentrate is a much more efficient way to distribute orange juice than as juice.
A lot of juice is at least partially from concentrate for exactly that reason anyway. Such a waste to package the end product rather than the middle one that already exists…
Depends. How much energy is used evaporating the water to make it concentrated in the first place? And how much energy is used with a frozen supply chain, instead of just a merely cold supply chain?
You may not know the answers to these questions, but they do exist and the market is aware of them. It is, in fact, cheaper to ship orange juice concentrate than orange juice.
I misread your comment as being focused on the energy considerations.
From this study, summarized here, producing and distributing “not from concentrate” juice uses less energy than concentrating and freezing, though (and lower CO2 emissions attributable to the process), because concentrating the juice takes more energy than shipping the whole thing. At least assuming the oranges are grown in Florida and sold in the United States.
That’s why I asked, because I knew that the U.S. relies more on imported citrus as the orange groves in Florida and California tend to get redeveloped into other real estate. And I’m wondering whether that analysis holds for oranges from Brazil or wherever.
Oh dope! I see what you’re saying now — thanks for linking an awesome paper. Sorry if I came off a bit snippy.
Also, for those driving by who don’t wanna click through:
It was found that total emission of greenhouse gas (carbon equivalent) for one gallon of orange juice produced under the scenarios of without and with resetting was 1.92 and 1.60 pounds, respectively
Edit: am I missing something? I don’t see any discussion of the difference in energy costs for shipping concentrates vs juices, just for production of concentrates vs juices?
Edit: am I missing something? I don’t see any discussion of the difference in energy costs for shipping concentrates vs juices, just for production of concentrates vs juices?
Actually I don’t see it in the PDF, either, although the Stanford Magazine article quantifies it in a way that suggests it was reported somewhere:
Once processed, the juices have to be transported to the markets. The concentrated forms take less energy because of their compact size and substantially lower weight. Nevertheless, even the energy-intensive distribution of Not From Concentrate orange juice only amounts for 22 percent of the juice’s total carbon dioxide emission. Of course, the emissions in this step greatly depend on distance from processing plants (mainly Florida, and also California), but in most cases, this consideration is not important enough to shift the balance.
The study report itself calls itself a preliminary findings, and the reporting around it was that they’d publish full findings at some point later.
Either way, that’s why I asked. I genuinely don’t know the answer or whether/when the lines would cross.
where I live, it is cheaper to buy oranges in bulk from local farmers and squeeze them myself
one of the few perks of living in brazil
Someone in the article asked the real question. How are we supposed to make Margaritas? The MinuteMaid frozen mixers are the only ones that don’t use shelf stabilizers and taste decent.
1 shot orange liquor (I like patron citronage)
2 shot tequila
Juice 1/2 lime
1-2 shots simple syrup (1 to 1 sugar and water)
Shake vigorously with ice, strain and enjoy!
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That works for a single servings, not so much for party pitchers.
What in there cannot be easily scaled up tho? Aside from the liquor its just lime juice and sugar!
Kinda true, I mean depending on how many, I’ve made maybe… 4 at once. But yeah if you need like 10+…. I hope you have a big shaker lmao.
I guess there is always the store brand frozen concentrated unless that’s going away too…
Margaritas are really fucking easy to make. And fresh lime tastes better anyway.
2 oz (60 ml) Tequila Blanco
0.5 oz (15 ml) Cointreau or Grand Marnier or some other orange liqueur
1 oz (30 ml) lime juice 0.5 oz (15 ml) Agave syrupShake in a shaker or blend in a blender with ice.
I’ve never used or seen a bar or restaurant use anything other than the Jose Cuervo mix.
My Grandma makes this great drink called a bourbon slush, which is basically orange juice concentrate plus bourbon.
The younger generations are gonna miss out on so much
Oh man, I don’t think I’ve ran into anyone else that knew what bourbon slush is. I had a friend growing up and it was a staple of their big family gatherings. I actually had no idea how they made it until now, but I would always get a couple of tubs to take home with me. Highlight of the year during my college years.
Ha! noice. I would always eat it with a spoon
It’s also popular here in Wisconsin, but our version typically uses brandy. I made a bunch for my wedding. I hate to think that would be the last time!
Make with the recipe already!
50% bourbon, 50% slush
So one can of stuff = two drinks?
that’s like 12 ounces of bourbon…
Also, you don’t really drink it… You definitely eat it with a spoon.
Also also, I definitely don’t have a recipe for it… I literally just learned from the commenter above me that it was OJ concentrate and booze… lol
Plus that satisfying experience of the concentrate slowly falling out of the container will never be experienced again.
i forgot the stuff existed but at the same time it’s surprising to see such a longstanding product go
They just don’t want Trading Places to be possible again
it’ll be pork bellies in the remake
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One big reason I haven’t bought frozen concentrate juice in years: sugar.
But second biggest reason: price. Last I checked, the frozen stuff was nearly the same price as the unfrozen.
It used to be the much cheaper alternative. I’m not sure what happened.
Well fuck. I’m highly reliant on the lemonade to mix with iced green tea.
Fuck Florida.
Fuck Florida!
I guess they dont want the WIC money
That’s to stop Antifa from making napalm
I was thinking that.
