That was her line? They enabled it?
Look at my “left wing”
In the macro, AOC fully supports Israel, voting to fund their genocide against Palestinians. In the micro, she uses vague passive-voice language to deflect Israel’s responsibility.
This is the left wing position in amerikkka
Voting to arm Israel, but crying about it
still voted for more weapons tho
Reminds me of this by the New York Post:
This is not a newspaper. It’s propaganda trash.
Thief has been accused of enabling the removal of your smart TV from your house after alleged involvement in shattering of your room window
- NY Post
In Munich, Germans congregate in the fall for beer celebrating the birthplace of the Nazi movement
Why is anyone defending her when her take is actually shit?
For one, enabled implies Israel’s not the ones doing it.
AOC voting to fully fund Israel’s iron dome
According to the congresswoman, “In the macro of national impact, I probably should have gone with my values - which would be to vote ‘No’ - but in the micro, I do believe this created a window in our community to bring all folks to the table.”
It baffles me that socdems really can’t see through her.
anyone else you’re psyched for?
at the end of the day all these people are vying for control of the worlds largest murder death kill machine, its entire economy is based on outsourced suffering and resource extraction. (outsourced suffering meaning outsourced to anybody not wealthy enough to avoid it)
that doesnt magically change when someone takes power. it just moves in a slightly different direction for a time, mask on, mask off, mask on again. and in order to gain control of the machine you have to play the game, and the game requires human sacrifice. from every single member that participates.
thats not an excuse, mind you. its just the reality of american politics, and modern politics in general. and generally speaking, capitalism.
the best we can hope for is either a peoples revolution, or candidates that consistently shift the window further to a sustainable future with the least amount of suffering as possible. while completely dismantling its economic and political structure, and replacing it with something more equitable.
there are going to be a lot of seemingly middle of the road candidates that leftists arent going to be psyched about, or people on the right for that matter. but it is what it is.
not stoked about it, but what can i, a young canadian boy from the prairies do, but watch and wait, twiddling my widdle fumbs?
good luck down there.
My favorite party in the US is PSL, in Canada, the communist party of canada.
These are actual anti-war and anti-imperialist parties that oppose their country’s wars, with votes and actions like protests, unlike socdems who want to preserve welfare state policies funded off the backs of the world’s working poor.
US Socdems always support their country’s wars, because they know that a weakening of the empire would result in a smaller pie from which they can negotiate crumbs from. Here’s a few countries Bernie Sanders voted to attack:
to be fair for bernie he did argue that if the US, and the democratic party didnt adopt things like free healthcare and other social wellfare programs, that there would be a socialist/communist revolution in the not so distant future in the US, and arguably the west as a result. regardless of the harms he’s assisted through his voting powers, or those like him, he is such a member that has at least, somewhat normalised and revitalised the term “socialism” as something logical to the current political and economical paradigm that leftists, liberals, and others in the US find themselves in. however id also argue that the failure of the system itself is the greatest propaganda. as this was predicted nearly two centuries ago as a result of unechecked capitalism by marx, and then later on more specifically by lenins remarks on the formation of monopolies and the inevitable collapse that follows them in the empirical stage of capitalism. which we now see more blatantly today.
for all the theory and history that is provided by marx/lenin/trotsky/mao, and all the other socialist/communist revolutionaries and theorists. one thing that is mainly ignored, or at least glossed over, or oversimplified to a degree in much of their writings. Is the capacity for human logic to adapt quickly after a lifetime of programming. specifically in the west. where bread and circus have nearly been perfected, and soon, fully automated. not only that but theory alone is not enough to shape reality. logic alone, is not enough to shape reality.
while communists and socialists bicker incesently about which form is correct, at which time and place, the reality is just as complex as the minutia of their disagreements. each individual has a different capacity for change. some are completely disabled to it. while others prefer a more milk toast version, or a completely radical overtaking by force, a permanent revolution. which in modernised terms essentially means the working class rises up, to declare themselves free of the ruling elites structure of hierarchy, and never relinquishes control back to a class based state.
essentially equality for all, forever. fighting any opposition that may arise to topple the working class. this is horrifying to many, but understandable to those who understand the opposing risks. it is not something that should be mirrored in its most flawed forms, it needs careful economic planning. a soft landing and support system that doesnt lift idealism and populism before reality.
socdems like bernie are still instruments of change, if only to put a foot in the door, for another way of thinking down the road. the evolution of culture is a long road, filled with failures. successes. steps forward, and backward. sometimes people are just not willing to accept a new type of future that conflicts with the one they were promised since birth. even if that original future will always be a dream. to them, it is the most beautiful thing they can work towards, the only thing that makes the suffering worthwhile. it is difficult to steer that away with swathing changes. unless we can reframe their anger rightfully against the lie that is the system itself.
and so, you must sometimes water down the medicine, so to speak. capitalism is an addictive economic model. fast gains, burning the candle at both ends. extreme highs. and extreme lows. but the promise of wealth, and a therefore a repreive from threat of starvation and death that so many suffer from, who are a constant visual reminder to participate in the system, or you may end up like them. well, that in itself is the fuel in the machine. death and destruction, or infinite pleasures. hell, or heaven. it provides an ample do or die attitude that drives western industry.
so. piece by piece. front by front. we must remove the threat. until we can show the people that the fear was manufactured, and that there is no monster waiting for them under their beds. in the fractured state we find ourselves in, in the face of the failures of our predecessors, some of whom stole the light they did not deserve. we must pick our battles, carefully. but we must remain a constant agitator all the same.
much like mao, in his days of geurilla warfare. we must not interrupt our enemies when they make mistakes. we have to come from where they least expect us. and offer not just violence, but a helping hand to those who might join us from the other side.
if bernie’s theories are put to the test, and we have even one success from them, that is one more incremental shift towards absolution. brick by brick.
one thing we must learn is to roll with the punches, to adopt languages of understanding, to know our history, and to accept some forms of compromise in opposition to permanent infighting and failure. but we must never compromise in a way that leads to the reframing of the inevitable future of the movement.
to sum this up. is bernie’s doctrine going to lead the world to a new international understanding, and reform of its entire value system to prop up the source of true value? human labour, human life, and a sustaining environment? to save us all from the tendrils of capitalistic greed, and the dismantling of the hierarchical structures that proceed, and prevail beyond it? “a dictatorship of the proletariate”?
no.
however. he is, as of now, a popular enough crowd bringer, that brings further conversation, and more “radical” ideals to the table. and those are the ones we must foster, spread, and use to agitate.
hes a stepping stone. the spoon full of sugar, that helps the medicine go down. and the rest of the socdems may continue pussyfooting around the inevitable revolution. but it is going to come, sooner or later. the thing about our current time is that it is simply too easy to spread vast amounts of information. but the more and more they squeeze the people, forcing surveillance, digital ID, punishing freedom of speech. the more people will funnel down into places like this, where we can show them the way.
so we must remain vigilant, and ever present, working diligantly towards our goals, providing the truth that the working class needs to know. we have to craft a walkway to guide them to their own catharsis, so that when they are finally ready to take that next step, we are there to welcome them to their new home.
we have the majority, we just need them to wake up and smell the revolution.
then and only then can we dismantle the system.
I disagree heavily with this. By incorrectly defining socialism as “imperial-core welfare” policies (IE keep the health care, keep the wars), socdems are mis-educating people and creating a bloc of nativist, imperial-core chauvinists who want even more priviledges at the expense of the world’s workers.
Real socialists are not afraid to tell people that there is a larger struggle that exists outside their country’s borders, and that the minority of priviledged imperial-core workers should not be living better than most of the world’s workers. We should advocate the destruction of the US empire and an end to all wars, not its preservation and the continuation of war, as Bernie and AOC advocate for.
i agree, however, historically speaking. overthrowing any government without a population already educated and akin to your ideals always leads to civil war and authoritarianism, or fascism, depending on who wins. and i just dont think we can ignore history, and should learn from the mistakes of the past. the US empire mathematically/economically speaking has always been doomed to fail, and its easily arguable that the last two decades have been a showcase of that collapse.
empire is the highest form of capitalism, and it will always lead to its eventual demise, and the timeline varies. in my opinion the US empire is already dead, its just convulsing, and likely will for many years to come. marx predicted this nearly two centuries ago. the roman empire didnt collapse over night, it took decades before they planted a figurative cross over its grave. we have to be careful as we are not the only ideology trying to birth something new from its corpse. and we cannot do that without the overwhelming support of the people who understand the full potential of the new system. and the steps it takes to get there.
i do love the romantisized/fetishized version of revolution as much as the next armchair socialist intellectual, but the reality of our world dictates that if we do not have a cohesive movement with a very solid plan for at least dipping the toes of those radically opposed to socialism, to the positives of socialism, through things like free healthcare, as one example or “flag” to get behind. then we can very likely end up with even more fascist imperialism and a new full blown holocaust that dwarfs the one growing in the US as we speak. and perhaps more likely, techno feudalism, rather than scientific socialism. its all kind of up in the air at the moment it seems.
i personally cannot think of any american candidates with enough momentum to actually garner that level of support for pure socialism in the time needed to implement it. and the biggest mistakes of communists and socialists of the past is the assumption that things/people will just automatically align with their ideology over night without showing them what socialism can be, or how to achieve it without terrifying the fence sitting population through violence. and how to actually maintain it after the fact. the communist/socialist international movements drastically underestimate the abilities of nations to undermine the education of their own people, the demonisation of socialism, and the systematic safety nets that they were willing to put in place to preserve capitalism, monarchy, and other systems of concentrated power. which also corrupted communist and socialist movements in the past.
im not saying we should have to bet on Bernie or AOC, but i currently just dont know of anyone else with enough sway, notoriety, or momentum that would tip the scales back in the direction of the people, even for a temporary repreive from unchecked capitalism (or a softer landing from its demise). or someone who actually has a realistic opportunity to hold that position and maintain it successfully. and also, bring “#realsocialism” to the masses without internal corruption, in the face of a population that doesnt understand how that system is supposed to work, or what its supposed to look like. let alone lead an uncorruptable vanguard movement on an international scale. obviously im speaking on one western front in the US, for what is a global class war. but we cant ignore the minutia when discussing these matters.
when lenin took power he had to make compromises to his vision to accomodate reality (state capitalism being one of them). theory and vision are wonderful. but you have to get up everyday and work towards those achievements, and it always requires sacrifice. working with people you dont like, dont agree with, etc. lenin and trotsky disagreed on their visions of socialism and communism (slightly), and had stalin been removed before he corrupted the inner circle with promises of power, and not tricked trotsky (and maybe poisoned lenin(he died after a series of strokes after stalin isolated trostky during a “vacation for his well being” and he missed lenins funeral and will reading)) then trotsky would have likely taken over. and we would have had a ussr that was a single party marxist state, with internal democracy for its leading members, with central planning. likely less political violence than stalin, but much more aggressive about international revolution rather than (relatively) contained nationialist revoltion. had lenin lived its likely he would have had a loose leadership structure within a one party system, similar to trotsky’s vision, at least in terms of organized international movements to promote socialism and communism.
however. all the above systems mentioned by these revolutionary communists/socialists ended with consolidation of power, and either nationalist control, and domestic political violence, but likely also empirical domination to some degree. these were movements that were born out of violence, and the echos of that violence effect us to this day. (russia/ukraine)
social democracy may be a slower paced ideology to bring around socialism, its far less revolutionary, and it does have massive flaws as well. but if you want to believe that real socialism is an overnight affair, its just simply not. its far too complex to implicate through revolution without authoritarianism and corruption at its heel, read any history book, or even the writings of all the communisr/socialist revolutionaries. marx, lenin, trotsky, che guevera, ho chi minh, mao, and their inspirations.
the core ideology and theory of the system is noble, but it has glaring issues that need to be addressed by a democratic collective. when marx spoke about a dictatorship of the proletariate, this is in part what he meant. that the working class would collectively choose how to run society, and abolish private productive property, for the good of the proletariate, to oversimplify his narrative. mao thought the peasantry was a more stable bet than the proletariate, and honestly he was right, at least for a revolutionary guerilla army that worked in tandem with regular forces that he used to attain power in china.
but its the destruction of the systems brought by revolution that ends up killing millions of the people the new system is meant to save. this is a hard pill to swallow. and so, we have a few choices.
repeat the same pattern, create a single party system, use authoritarian strategies to destroy the former ruling class and loyalists, disrupting supply chains and causing mass starvation, which eventually will be protested at the very least, which you subdue with military force, secret police, surveillance. etc. and this is post violent revolution, which could take decades complete, if it ever succeeds, which it wont without the support of the people.
or we can implement an alternate system within the existing system, undermining it, using technology they didnt have access to. to convince the working class the world over to realise the values that are innate in their existence and labour, and the extraction that takes place from the moment they wake, to the moment they go to sleep. and even now, while they sleep. working bit by bit to hand “digital pamphlets” to bring about mass class conciousness, and allow the demonstration of the worlds former greatest capitalist state inevitable collapse as a rallying call for massive socialist resurgance.
we need (technically have) a new digital international movement that rides the wave of capitalistic collapse as a prime example and driving force of the glaringly obvious benefits of a new modern socialism, perhaps one that doesnt need to implicate or maintain itself with as much violence as it has in the past. as we have new ways of reaching hearts and minds these days. but of course that is wishful thinking, as im sure it will likely be quite violent no matter the path we take to achieve equality, and dismantle the global structures made over the centuries by the ruling elite, and bring them to justice. formal, or informal
i just suggest that we use the information of the past to design a better system, with a more organized, and better educated force while we bide our time and prepare. and take whatever small boons that even slightly aligned US social democrats might produce in the meantime. it just seems like a more realistic probability considering the momentum/state of one front in the revolution in the US and abroad.
if you want to advocate for your personal version of what you define as real socialism, as there are many iterations of socialism. and how to achieve it. id love to hear what you think would be the ideal structure and implimentation? im sure we cant be that far off from eachother lol.
i am always willing to listen and learn, and challenge my own opinions and biases. im aware of the gaps in my logic and knowledge, so feel free to try and see if yours will fit.
Isn’t the iron dome a defensive anti missile… thing? If so, this isn’t really that damning imo. Funding the defense of an ally isn’t inherently bad, though it does beg the question of why we are allied with Israel.
Sending anti-air flak shells to Berlin in 1944 would also be aiding in defense, but I think you could see the problem with that. Same thing here: a fascist state committing genocide absolutely should not be given tools for defense. The longer Israel can defend itself from retaliation, the longer it will continue to fight, the more innocent people will die.
I don’t believe Israel was generally recognized as committing genocide in 2021?
And yet everyone paying attention was well aware that it was
Holocaust guilt time is over, sorry not sorry
Turns out Germans have never felt Holocaust guilt and are gladly supporting another one.
Only holocaust was against the poles
As a New Yorker the NY Post is not even a newspaper, they’re a tabloid. Nobody here takes their bullshit seriously.
I’m having a hard time distinguishing between the quality of other mainstream media and NYPost.
I think its pretty easy to tell, most corporate media serves disinformation out of pure malice. Their intent is to spread their shitlib agenda and ensure that the power of capitalists is never questioned. Meanwhile the NY Post has no agenda or intent, their sole purpose to to gain as many clicks as possible with as little effort as possible. They are the dullest tool in the capitalist shed (still a tool just not a very good one).
NYPost has a very strong pro-Israel agenda. One of the few things they’ll go against the grain for is taking a bullet for Israel
