uhhhh that’s just (unfortunately) very well-documented to be false. like, extremely well documented.
edit: also that’s an incomprehensible answer to the question. why would something being impossible make it wrong? I don’t think it would be morally wrong to sidestep through the 8th dimension to get to work faster
i guarantee someone would have a moral stance against teleportation if it existed. but it doesn’t so i don’t very much care to speculate.
but handfuls of unverified and whispered-about videos doesn’t constitute ‘extreme’ documentation, i’d welcome an actual study proving there’s more than dozens of actual bestia–uh–tists? and a widespread occurrence of the act, but i know of no such studies and no opinions on it that aren’t painted by the cultural baggage attached
it’s akin to people wingsuit flying through a suspension bridge and getting cheese-grated, there’s certainly footage of it and it was a bad idea but i don’t think it’s a very pressing concern for most people
so, bestiality is wrong because you can’t do it, in other words it’s impossible. therefore the people who have done it on video are evil because they’re doing something impossible.
my op was 99.99%, that is not absolute, i was never making an absolute rule, my claim is that discourses about bestiality are mostly talking about the imaginary and fetishes but failing to recognize that. the article/tweet we’re talking about is a thinly disguised sexual fantasy with no interface with material reality. and people itt are conflating that with the extraordinarily rare real world acts, that are nothing like that sexual fantasy.
in the ‘article’ they’re imagining a consensual sexual relationship with a dog, which the dog consents to. this is impossible not just from a dog’s faculty to consent, but because dogs do not experience sexual attraction to humans. if a male dog has ever fucked people, which i seriously doubt, it’d be through transparently nonconsensual training or something. it’s not a real argument or a real situation, and i think it’s silly when people give it the airs of a moral debate
if a male dog has ever fucked people, which i seriously doubt
ok, so you’re just talking from a position of ignorance. when i say this is extremely well-documented, i mean that there used to be a subreddit called /r/sexwithdogs where people were posting hundreds of videos of precisely this.
it’d be through transparently nonconsensual training or something
this is true, yeah, you have to groom animals for stuff like this, just like any other vulnerable party.
if a male dog has ever fucked people, which i seriously doubt, it’d be through transparently nonconsensual training or something.
When I was growing up, we had a family dog that was constantly humping legs. This isn’t a defense, mind, since “but they made the first move” isn’t any more justifiable with animals than it is with children, but it does happen.
i think it’s a long way from leg-hump (which isn’t sexual in all situations, it’s often about dominance) to fucking an animal with incompatible morphology, wrong pheromones, and incorrect behavior
First, right off the bat, you can and I’ve seen it. With that out of the way, you’re not addressing if it is moral or not. Morality is about what it is right or wrong to do, not what is possible to do. If I could, with a sweep of my hand, either kill every poor person in the US or slaughter every millionaire, then there is a moral reason why I should perform the latter and not the former.
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my answer to bestiality would be “because you can’t” animals won’t fuck you and they’ll probably kill you if you try to fuck them.
uhhhh that’s just (unfortunately) very well-documented to be false. like, extremely well documented.
edit: also that’s an incomprehensible answer to the question. why would something being impossible make it wrong? I don’t think it would be morally wrong to sidestep through the 8th dimension to get to work faster
I recently had an argument with my boss when something similar was said, so they would steal even more of your labour.
i guarantee someone would have a moral stance against teleportation if it existed. but it doesn’t so i don’t very much care to speculate.
but handfuls of unverified and whispered-about videos doesn’t constitute ‘extreme’ documentation, i’d welcome an actual study proving there’s more than dozens of actual bestia–uh–tists? and a widespread occurrence of the act, but i know of no such studies and no opinions on it that aren’t painted by the cultural baggage attached
it’s akin to people wingsuit flying through a suspension bridge and getting cheese-grated, there’s certainly footage of it and it was a bad idea but i don’t think it’s a very pressing concern for most people
so, bestiality is wrong because you can’t do it, in other words it’s impossible. therefore the people who have done it on video are evil because they’re doing something impossible.
my op was 99.99%, that is not absolute, i was never making an absolute rule, my claim is that discourses about bestiality are mostly talking about the imaginary and fetishes but failing to recognize that. the article/tweet we’re talking about is a thinly disguised sexual fantasy with no interface with material reality. and people itt are conflating that with the extraordinarily rare real world acts, that are nothing like that sexual fantasy.
in the ‘article’ they’re imagining a consensual sexual relationship with a dog, which the dog consents to. this is impossible not just from a dog’s faculty to consent, but because dogs do not experience sexual attraction to humans. if a male dog has ever fucked people, which i seriously doubt, it’d be through transparently nonconsensual training or something. it’s not a real argument or a real situation, and i think it’s silly when people give it the airs of a moral debate
ok, so you’re just talking from a position of ignorance. when i say this is extremely well-documented, i mean that there used to be a subreddit called /r/sexwithdogs where people were posting hundreds of videos of precisely this.
this is true, yeah, you have to groom animals for stuff like this, just like any other vulnerable party.
you’ve never seen a dog hump someone’s leg?
a leg is not analogous to someone’s sex organs?
If someone rubbed a dick on your leg that would definitely be a form of assault. There’s at least one sex organ involved here, the dogs.
When I was growing up, we had a family dog that was constantly humping legs. This isn’t a defense, mind, since “but they made the first move” isn’t any more justifiable with animals than it is with children, but it does happen.
i think it’s a long way from leg-hump (which isn’t sexual in all situations, it’s often about dominance) to fucking an animal with incompatible morphology, wrong pheromones, and incorrect behavior
First, right off the bat, you can and I’ve seen it. With that out of the way, you’re not addressing if it is moral or not. Morality is about what it is right or wrong to do, not what is possible to do. If I could, with a sweep of my hand, either kill every poor person in the US or slaughter every millionaire, then there is a moral reason why I should perform the latter and not the former.