• Jack@slrpnk.net
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    11 months ago

    This made me think because raiding peoples homes doesn’t seem right, but saying things like this definitely isn’t right.

    In the end I think a inclusive society should exclude it’s exclusive elements.

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      11 months ago

      I feel we just can’t agree on this argument online, and it’s likely because the line for tolerance differs on so many factors, history being a huge one.

      I’m aware German laws exist to ban fascist symbols, likely as an ounce of prevention along the lines, “we won’t repeat another Hitler”.

      It might take the US falling into a fascist state and being liberated to make us adopt such “drastic” measures as raids. Until then 1A has been routinely held up to protect hate speech so for now it’s up to us as a society to make a conscious decision what we’ll tolerate. We just have to be as vocal about it as the racists/fascists.

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        11 months ago

        The raids were probably because of the threats and not because of antisemitic remarks. The first might get you arrested if you scream it in the streets, but threatening people should get you raided imho

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        11 months ago

        No, it’s a ‘paradox of tolerance’ and that paradox is already solved

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            11 months ago

            If you want a tolerant society, you cannot tolerate the intolerant.

            If you want democracy, you must suppress anti-democratic ideas.

            You have to fight for want you believe in, and not let antithetical ideas fester and subvert yours, just because they exploit your tolerance and use the space you give them to fight it.

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              11 months ago

              Sure, but your methodology for determining what is an anti-democratic idea should be really tight, before you raid/arrest people.

              No one wants murders in their society, but showing that they did that action is more important than stating that an action is wrong/anti-democratic/immoral etc.

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                  11 months ago

                  In this case if they have evidence, they should be investigated as is being done.

                  My critique is on the general sense of tolerance/intolerance as that can be vague, although unjustified incitement of violence or violent action is a good place to draw a line. However what is a call to violence can be tricky to parse sometimes.

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              11 months ago

              If you want a tolerant society, you cannot tolerate the intolerant

              That doesn’t mean silencing anyone who utters “wrongspeak,” but authoritarians like you are pushing precisely that. “We shall decide who the intolerant are and they shall be banned from our tolerant society.” I would much rather live in a world where I had to listen to ignorant views like yours than be “protected” from them but never forced to figure out for myself why I disagree. Bigotry flourishes in darkness; the solution is to bring it out into the light.