Finland sacrificing its neutrality to try and join NATO was a phenomenally idiotic move.

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    Lol but the solution isn’t to accept everything what the Russia is doing sometimes you have to play the psycho game

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          The solution is to find a diplomatic solution that works for both sides. Anybody who can’t get that through their skull is actively driving us towards extinction.

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            The diplomacy amounted to Russia wanting to reclaim the soviet sphere of influence or Ukraine gets it. You know full well there wasn’t any actual diplomatic solution for Putin.

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              Yes, Russia has a sphere of influence just like US has and every other major power. I know full well that if Ukraine stayed neutral then Russia would not have invaded it. Every single person who knows anything on the subject agrees regarding this. Finland throwing away its neutrality was the height of idiocy.

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            But Putin isn’t interested to find a diplomatic solution, he have his own plans. He will maybe interested in a diplomatic solution if he got more under pressure .But from the past he learned he can do what he want no buddy try stop him. So someone have show his limits like a little child have to learn it. How you can make politic with a guy you can’t trust ? You need some security. Everybody want to find diplomatic solution but you say now to the Ukraines hey common what is wrong with you just find a diplomatic solution with super power there not interested in diplomatic solution and there just reaped and killed you wife and children. Now is time to show unity and strength and i hope Russia is than interested in a diplomatic solution. My way was i tried to inform people on Russia Social Networks that the west are not Nazi peoples. But was also very scary to see if you now playing video games like Insurgency what also a lot of Russia people, there using now west people as a insult.

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              This is a false statement. Putin has tried to find a diplomatic solution for over 8 years. The west refused to do diplomacy during this whole time. NATO has expanded for the past 30 years despite promises not to move east. NATO has continuously destroyed countries and continued to surround Russia. Countless western experts warned that this will ultimately lead to a conflict. Politics isn’t about trust. It’s about understanding your interests and the interests of others. It’s about recognizing red lines, and creating conditions where conflict can be avoided.

              Russia never threatened Ukraine until the west ran a coup there, and put in a regime there with ambitions to absorb it into NATO. Finland and Sweden have never been threatened by Russia, until they expressed ambitions to join NATO. It’s as if NATO expansion has been the key destabilizing factor here all along as everyone who has a modicum of understanding of the subject has been saying.

              The escalation created the current crisis and now you’re claiming that the solution is more escalation. You’re absolutely insane and people like you will be the end of us all.

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            Should be the easiest compromise in the world, that Ukraine is left alone and Russia is left alone. But Russia refuses.

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              Implementing Minsk agreements that Ukraine and the west agreed to and Ukraine staying neutral would’ve been pretty easy. But Ukraine regime and its western sponsors refused to. As the saying goes, it takes two to tango.

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                Russia invaded them, that’s all it takes for it to be 100% Russia’s fault. Ukraine never invaded Russia. NATO never invaded Russia. The EU never invaded Russia. Even Japan is staying out of Russia, despite openly contesting lands.