imperialism is when you trade goods and services for mutual benefit in a win-win scenario. forcing people at gun point is not imperialism or slavery. wake up
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenke_Fungurume_Mine
also this is what theyre talking about, i did some reading on it and the so-called imperialism is a funding dispute between… two state owned corporations… that was resolved amicably… (note that the dispute theyre thinking of was not in zambia from what i can tell, or at least its not what all of the trots seem to be talking about the most)
the reality is that the previous western backers had poor business sense and sold their shares to china who modernized the project, built a lot of infrastructure, and massively increased the export quantity of minerals in the mine. the minerals are also now insanely important for global chip and battery manufacturing. the westerners are sore losers that say that it was their divine right as true inheritors of the profit that the shares should be returned to them, but of course they refused to invest in actually making the mine scalable and profitable for all involved.
many of the trots then go on to say that there was a fatality from the congolese military shooting a singular ‘artisan miner’ within the mines and this death is a sign of chinese imperialism’s influence. east congo is an active western backed war zone, the military is trigger happy, and the westerners likely hope that the mine will be seized away from the congo state corporation and the chinese one by either rebels or uganda and rwanda. again, who is doing the imperialism here? imperialism is a systemic creature and you must analyze an area in its whole to begin to find solutions to an area’s problems.
also the extra layer of irony is that the picture used is from these articles (https://www.dw.com/en/nationalizing-zambias-copper-mines/a-56843152 https://reutersbest.com/uae-giant-eyes-majority-stake-in-vedantas-zambian-mines-in-expansion-drive/) on zambia nationalizing western controlled mines. china isnt involved in this picture or mine, though geographically the area is close as it is all part of the same copper mining belt. the ruling government in support of the nationalization was ousted in 2021 and the mine had major investments put into it by canada and a majority stake in the company was bought by the UAE. again, no china involvement. the article also mentions the photo was specifically taken at konkola mines (not the mopani mines which were nationalized). the konkola mines are owned by a London and Mumbai based firm with no chinese stake from what i can see. so the user cannot even get which country is suffering from “imperialism by china” right based on the many articles i’ve read on the region.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mopani_Copper_Mines
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konkola_Copper_Mines
no investigation, no right to speak
lmao just realized someone else did the research too, someone share my comment here to this person theyd probably be interested to read the extra context i found. i refuse to make a shitter account
https://nitter.net/comrade__e/status/2075259236725211471#m
https://nitter.net/CoffeeSideQuest/status/2075879931213443198#m

the thread continues with a plethora of trots and so-called maoists claiming chinese damage to the ecoystem such as this:


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy7p51l60rro
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Sino-Metals_Leach_Zambia_dam_disaster
its pretty hilarious to use the bbc as a source here as a supposed leftist. so lets assume the OP may have been referring to this event. the framing of the issue is that this environmental disaster is somehow china’s fault and a clear marker of imperialism. we will of course refrain from saying the name of the mine in the general wikipedia article or even the bbc article. we must refrain from saying the mine’s name because if you search for the Kabwe mine, you can learn that the tailings dam was ordered and built by a british-american company. the dam has been polluting the river far before its collapse and before the partial chinese stake in the mine. the british-american company claims that china accepted liability for their fuckups when locals originally sued them. the chinese company, to its credit, is paying out for the british-american company’s mistakes and assisting with infrastructure modernization in zambia. it should be noted that the chinese companies never have 100% stake in these mines, they always split ownership of the mine with either a local nationalized entity or a local formerly/partially nationalized entity. in general, it appears that the western strategy in zambia and much of africa at large is to give up the highest risk mines to china to have them take all the liability and bad press. zambia also defaulted on its loans to china and had much of them forgiven. china apparently is not phased by any of this and continues to grow investments in zambia and has been doing so at fairly high levels since around 2022. this shows china cares far more about the material situation than the financial details and is not beholden to financial capital.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabwe_mine
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/02/08/zambia-south-africa-anglo-american-mining-court-lawsuit/
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2025-11-20/VHJhbnNjcmlwdDg3NDU4/index.html
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/04092025/china-sino-metals-zambia-toxic-spill/
the CGTN article of course has the kicker for why all these silly western boys are talking about this and why westerners hate china:
Experts say the new goal is simple, helping Zambians turn their raw materials into finished products before they leave the country.
a full product loop within the country is a death knell for imperialism
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml @Cowbee@hexbear.net I believe I saw you arguing with someone about this before maybe some of my research will be helpful to you
Oh thank you! That’s very interesting!

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Really needs to be stressed that the British version of this was to burn villages to the ground, relocate the residents to ‘villages’ they had built next to the mines, and then force them and their children to work for subsistence wages. And this was during the times when they weren’t technically doing slavery. We should be more critical of China’s role in Africa sometimes imo, but the two things are clearly not the same.
ugh ive been off twt so long i forgot MLMs that think China is revisionist exist in droves on there
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Regime change never leaves behind a “regime” …
Imperialism is when the Chinese steal French uranium from Ghana
“If any African nation passed a law banning CN companies, CN would go “okay, if you say so” and leave.”







