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    If Biden reschedules (or even better legalizes — I know this is a larger challenge legally) cannabis and takes a harder stance against Israel, I think he would win most of the key states he needs to win the election. Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Nevada, Michigan, Arizona, and to a lesser degree Georgia will determine this election. The rest of the states are locked in. A 1% swing can mean the difference to prevent a dictatorship.

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        Also, I genuinely don’t think most Americans care all that much to the degree it would affect their support of Biden.

        I’m struggling to think of anyone I know who is so upset about Israel they would consider throwing the country to Trump, and I know a lot of people that have very strong opinions on Israel.

        It just doesn’t track. If you’re against Israel’s actions, you’re probably also not keen on fascism, racism, and authoritarianism…so logically, you’re not keen on letting Trump win.

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          According to the census, 1.1% of Americans are Muslim and many Muslim leaders are encouraging their base not to vote for Biden. They aren’t voting for Trump either but since Muslims lean heavily democrat, a non vote is the same as voting for Trump in a swing state. It isn’t that they want Trump and authoritarianism, it’s that they are protesting against the US support for Israel.

          Source: https://apnews.com/article/muslim-swing-state-biden-vote-fb3b93f465ed6fd34a901c269a084a90

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            Well that there is a failure of Muslim leadership.

            Hatred is often a self destructive thing. Not voting for Biden increases the probability that Trump will win which will be a very bad thing for Muslims in the US. So they’re willing to cause themselves harm over their hatred of Israel.

            Maybe it’s time people stop listening to leaders that want to sacrifice the people they lead to make themselves look like strong men?

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              I certainly do not disagree with you. What the Muslim leaders are doing is certainly stupid as Trump will be far worse for their people in the Middle East. I am just relaying the information that is out there about their current agenda.

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                I think it’s too soon to tell really. There’s people saying a lot of things out of emotion but emotions tend to fade. It’s easy to say you hypothetically won’t vote for Biden to exert pressure right now, but when facing the cold hard reality of the potential for a Trump presidency which emotion takes precedence.

                Mostly this thing is dependent on Hamas being decisively defeated a few months before the election so people will no longer have the most documented war in history on their screens making them upset.

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              How the fuck is refusing to support genocide “hatred”?

              US foreign policy over multiple decades has hammered home for Muslims that both parties froth at the mouth to murder them and their families. It’s only natural that we won’t vote for either of those murderers. I know I’ll personally be voting for the Green Party, and the only thing that could get me to consider voting for a Democrat ever again would be if the President turned himself, Obama, and George W. bush over to The Hague to stand trial for their murderous wars.

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          Yea sadly. Even just looking at israel/gaza Trump would do at least as bad as biden and probably worse.

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        Wow that’s some straight up antisemitism right there. Sorry, but there isn’t some secret Jewish Cabal controlling the world.

        Go outside and touch some grass, ok?

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          Did you misread end a political career for murder? AIPAC absolutely holds political sway in this country. It is no theory or secret.

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            Sigh.

            Promoting conspiracy theories involving Jews being puppet masters that control your government is textbook Goebbels kind of shit.

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              They weren’t claiming that jews are puppet master overlords that control our governments

              They were claiming that Israel has a strong political lobby that can do a lot of political damage to politicians that don’t align themselves with Israel.

              They do this by doing exactly what you’re doing. Claiming or implying that anybody against Israel or the pro-Israel lobby is an antisemite.

              I’ll remind you that “jewish people” and “Israel” are not the same thing.

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                I’ll remind you that “jewish people” and “Israel” are not the same thing.

                You need to tell that to the people that are shootiing at synogogues, trying to burn down jewish businesses. There is a Pro-Palestinian movement in my city that are protesting a Jewish community instead of protesting the Israeli consulate that’s in this city. Maybe tell them they should be protesting the consulate not the jewish communtiy because they don’t seem as enlightened as you are to understand the distinction between Israel and Jews in other countries.

                But you aren’t going to do that, are you? Could upset your friends in your movement if you criticize their actions.

                The Palestinian movement has proven the need for a group to lobby for the well being of Jews in the US. If you won’t speak out against the antisemitic activity that’s occurring in the Palestinian movement because you’re too busy spreading conspiracy theories on the internet, then yeah there needs to be some group that’s able to talk about these issues to those in power that are able to protect communities that are in danger from your allies in your movement.

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                  I never said antisemitism doesn’t exist. Neither did the person above. Nor did anybody else.

                  You’re bringing that up now as a distraction. Criticising the actions of the regime in Israel, a regime that has openly stated they want to see the eradication of all Palestinians, is not antisemitism.

                  “My” friends in “my movement”? What are you talking about? I’m not involved in a movement against Jewish people.

                  If you’re referring to me being against the genocide being carried out by Israel, then yes, I’m against that.

                  But it’s not really a “movement”, it’s the default. I guess with that line of thinking I’m a part of all kinds of “movements” - the “anti-paedophilia movement”, the “I don’t like kale movement”, the “people who think alligators are scary movement”, the “people who dislike chores movement”, etc.

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          Hi there. Jewish person here. The people you are accusing of being antisemitic are 100% right. AIPAC has controlled the American political stance on Israel for decades.

          If you care about American Jews, stop associating them with Israel. That is what is getting us harassed and attacked, being automatically associated with Israel.

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            Yeah this is the internet and I can claim that I’m a Palestinian that thinks that Netanyahu is completely in the right. Which proves what exactly?

            Also note that racism towards “Cosmopolitan Jews” was a way a certain group used as a gateway for people that weren’t willing to be antisemitic towards all Jews. But we know how that ended.

            So today it’s considered to be good and correct to hate “zionist jews” by those who would normally think antismeitsm is wrong. Meanwhile in my city there’s an Israeli consullate, but the protesters don’t go there, they protest in the middle of a Jewish community, and have attempted to burn down Jewish businesses. While you’re distinguishing between “cosmopolitan zionist jews” and other jews, there are many people in the Palestinian movement who are not.

            We need to stop looking the other way about what this is really about. An antisemitic movement that wants to restore the ethnic makeup of a geographic area to the way it was in a history book by the use of extreme violence. “Blood and soil”, “from the river to the sea” same shit different century.

            I’m not a Jew but my grandfather fought in a war against people that did the same things the Palestinian movement is doing right now. Jews went along with the movement my grandfather fought against too, you know. So the same bullshit from a century ago and how it affected my grandfather means a bit more than your unverifiable claims about being a jew. This ain’t about you, this is about fascists trying to burn down Jewish businesses in the city I live in after my grandfather sacrificed a lot to fight against that kind of evil.

            Now go on and make excuses for the violent actions of the fascists in your movement like a good useful idiot.

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              You are welcome to look at my comment history and see how many other times I have talked about being Jewish.

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                I really don’t care. There were Jews that joined the Nazi party. Historically being Jewish hasn’t exactly been a prophylactic against being a part of antisemitic movements. You may think you can win over the violent elements in a movement to only hate a subset of Jews so you’ll be fine. But when there’s a night of the long knives you find out only the opinions of those with the knives really count in these kinds of movements. And they aren’t going to care that you were “one of the good ones” when the knives come out.

                They already don’t seem to care what kind of Jew goes to the synagogues they shoot at.

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        You mean if they were stupid enough to try nominating any of the candidates Biden beat 4 years ago? Stupid enough to gamble on a new candidate, ignoring the fact Biden already beat Trump once? Stupid enough to ignore the fact the fact that the incumbent president more often than not wins reelection?

        You’re right, democracy is on the line, now’s the best time to fucking gamble it away.

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          “now’s” as good a time as any

          “this time for sure”

          “can’t believe how easily this will be to beat trump”

          “better of 2 evils! don’t worry we’ll just go further left in 4 years :)”

          “oopsie dead babies :(”

          [repeats ad nauseam until the libs are dead or go further right]

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            don’t worry we’ll just go further left in 4 years :)”

            But we did. The Inflation Reduction Act was not only the most climate friendly bill in US history, it bolstered domestic green energy companies so much that Canada and Europe had to pass similar legislation to stay competitive (and keep companies from relocating).

            The unfortunate fact of the matter is that Israel is going to keep killing babies, and the US president is going to support Israel, no matter who it is, for the foreseeable future.

            Your choice is if you’ll willingly accept the burden and do whatever you can nonetheless to help the most people domestically and globally – or if you’ll pretend you aren’t carrying the burden, and you’re willing to throw women, black Americans, brown Americans, gay Americans, trans Americans, etc under the bus to maintain that delusion.

            No matter what you do, if you pay taxes in the US, you’re funding infanticidal Israeli weapons. Democracy is shitty like that. The majority of people are uncomfortable with all the civilian deaths, but a majority still wants to fund weapons for them. Don’t like it? Grit your teeth, try to make a difference, and minimize any unnecessary support to Israel.

            There will be no leftist utopia except from the labor of blood soaked hands from those who understand there’s no other choice. I can only hope that one day my kids or their kids will be able to judge me without any hypocrisy, because we successfully made a world free of these awful realities.

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              I can only hope that one day my kids or their kids will be able to

              Libs over here acting like they’re going to have GRANDkids let alone kids. SMFH

              Burn down the MIC

              There is no other way

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                Going to tell you: History is not kind to leftists who kowtow to Fascists because they’ll “burn it down” (Look up Social Fascism)

                They end up with bullets in their heads rather than glorious revolution.

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                In case you’re wondering, for future reference, the reason why you never seem to find progressives who’ll vote for Biden or support the mainstream Democrat candidate is because when we try to earnestly explain our viewpoint and how we think we can help the most people, we just run into non serious memelords.

                But on the bright side, it wasn’t wasted time on my part. People still saw what I had to say, and you made it look all the wiser. Shame that you’ve only continued to drain supporters from your “burn it down” caucus though.

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                  You still live in a delusion that playing by their rules will somehow fix any of this shit (not to mention the selfish act of having 2 generations into WWIII)

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          Biden didn’t beat shit. He had the DNC machine tell all the other candidates to drop out and put their full support behind Biden and have the media machine pump out story after story about Biden’s miraculous turnaround. Biden beat the other candidates in the same way Putin scored 8 goals in a hockey game.

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    If Biden ended the war on drugs it would nearly completely clench at least his party’s re-election, probably swing the congress on over too.

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        Honestly, people being able to get tested known doses of various drugs of choice would save a lot of lives and create a lot of opportunity to intervene and help people recover. Making drugs illegal just causes miser and funds crime.

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      Maybe for weed, but I don’t think that would be so clear cut for other substances. Even here San Francisco, the public is only willing to go so far with decriminalizing.

      I would wager that weed, and maybe certain hallucinations would be bump in the polls, but for narcotics and opioids, ending the war on that stuff would hurt him. But maybe I’m wrong.

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        Ending it would involve more than lel drugs are legal have fun. It would be a shift to focus on treatment, rehabilitation, and prevention by treating social deficits that tend to breed addiction, those are proven consistently effective treatments. If prohibition ever worked we wouldn’t have weed, alcohol, and coke would sell completely caffeine free beverages.

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        I’m not necessarily against legalizing other drugs, but I would need a lot of time to research it and understand what studies have been done. There’s some substances which are outright harmful and people shouldn’t take, and I don’t think criminalization is the solution. But, I also don’t know that complete legalization is.

        Off the cuff, I think I’d support decriminalized possession, but the material is still confiscated. Manufacturing however should remain illegal (other than for weed) because it’s way too easy to make snake oil and impurities. I’d favor official govt meth versus making manufacturing it legal.

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          You know that there’s government legal meth, right?

          Its brand name is Desoxyn.

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            Our air force crews are often given one of these during combat missions. I imagine other military units use them when necessary, too. They also prescribe it to people with severe narcolepsy.

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              Desoxyn is literally a brand name for methamphetamine, so you’re not saying anything different.

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                Wow I just went down a rabbit hole… I feel (pray) so many things would have to fail for you to actually get that Rx filled tho

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                  It’s a very effective medicine, though. For example, in small doses it’s more effective than adderall or Ritalin for ADHD. It’s less common than either of those drugs because there is a higher abuse potential, but there is nothing really wrong with it either.

                  The key here is small doses taken orally. Taking it in a medical context is a very different animal than recreational methamphetamine.

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                Hm? Widen your scope of semantic salience my friend, I do say something different, but that’s just academia, don’t take it too seriously it’s not a challenge.

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          I mean we know people will do it regardless, no matter the substance. Substances are being thoroughly tested, and finally seeing serious academic and clinical research on their therapeutic uses, so that is actually going pretty great and showing awesome results (yeyy drugs!!), and I will never get over the argument that prohibition only strengthens the mafia.

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            Yeah you really cut out the leg from cartels if you get rid of prohibition.

            I think as long as we can positively ID a substance as coming from a safe manufacturer, it’s fine. Street products cooked up in a trailer are what need to go away. That probably means the government subsidizes drug companies to provide them at low cost.

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              Fuck it manufacture it in government labs, make it taxable. How could that possibly ever be worse than the street wars we have right now?

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                  Look, we can’t be adjusting our ideas to take morons into account, one has to have a clear image before one’s eyes want one want to achieve, or it ain’t gonna get beyond the idea stage.

                  Is this what we want? Is this what I want? Fuck yes, so we can fight for that, it is well defined and without bullshit, that’s a platform easy to defend, you know what I mean? Don’t give a shit what some would think or say, wars are not won by appeasing the enemy.

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          you know all of those “illegal” drugs are legal if you have enough money? There isn’t a single “illegal” drug that you cant get as long as someone slaps like a Pfizer, Novo Nordisk, or Bayer label on it and signs their name to say you can have it. Prohibition doesn’t work, we have a lot of history to show that, we also have a lot of history to know that treatment, rehabilitation, and social safety nets go a really long way towards stopping addiction and substance abuse.

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          Yeah, I think I mostly agree. Don’t think material should be confiscated though, that could cause people to avoid official harm reduction resources. But, I wouldn’t want to see private business, like gas stations, liquor stores, or “dispensaries” making profit from selling and pushing fentanyl, tranq, krokodil and stuff like that. I do think more drugs with low addiction and harm potential should be legalized such as shrooms, LSD, and probably most psychedelics.

          All that being said all legalization and decriminalization must coincide with massive investment in addiction treatment, harm reduction, and probably housing. Ideally, the root causes of the drug epidemic should be addressed, such as poverty, lack of adequate healthcare such as therapy, people generally feeling hopeless because of their material conditions, etc.

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            Completely agree on everything except confiscation – which I agree is tricky. I think you confiscate anything that’s “off brand” to keep them off the streets, but that’s it. I don’t want some shitty chemist making impure drugs that cause serious harm. Those need to go. We’d need a free certified container program.

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          All you need to do is look at Portland Oregon. We decriminalized possession with Measure 110 and everyone rejoiced. Now most people are done with it. Used paraphernalia every where, homelessness everywhere. (Yeah I know housing prices is the major factor). Crime… Fuck me. The amount of people that have been “assisted” with their drug habits are dismal. In part due to government hindering the financial support. The major part is the lack of desire from users wanting to be saved. ( This is the alternative to jailing of persons) Decriminalization of possession of hard drugs was/is a major fail here. Just my anecdotal “research”.

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        I can’t even fathom the rationalization process going on with you folks with the fent and other substances, it really looks like a dystopian Ridley Scott shot when you look at it from the other side of the Atlantic…

        Edit: I mean, we’re feeling with you homie

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        would be bump in the polls

        Yeah and Biden could really use a bump

        But enough about Hunter

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          I’m voting for Hunter Biden for president, because he is the politician that I support.

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            You’re right, it was wrong to make fun of an incredibly comic figure. Doing so clearly means that I’ve never voted for a Democrat and that I want Biden to lose. Certainly can’t be that I’ve consistently voted for dems in every election since turning 18 yet think their failures still deserve to be mocked. Good insight 👏

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      And lose the +Police demographic. Imagine how many other demographic groups that spans. Not to mention, the voters who would go for that are in most part disenfranchised and can’t vote due to prior convictions. Which is a human rights scandal in itself, but that is neither here nor there. Except it is there.

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    I’ll bet good money that if he tries it it’ll be closer to August

    Because you fucking know it’s gonna get challenged and that the Supreme Court is gonna be all brow furrowey trying to invent a reason why it’s unconstitutional to not pursue a drug policy based in exactly zero medical science.

    At least if it’s near the election the topic will still be fresh by the time SCOTUS chooses that laws are for binding Democrats and protecting Republicans.

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      It would be extremely hard to argue that, but given the three clowns trump appointed who knows.

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      SCOTUS is extremely unpopular. If they tell Biden to throw more people in jail and he replies with a very public, “get fucked you corrupt prison lobby shills” his poll number would go up even higher.

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    Oh they’re going to put this carrot in front of us again?

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      “Biden stands to gain approval if he does incredibly obvious thing that people approve of.”

      So he’s not gonna do it then? Great.

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      I would like for all of us to sit down, just for a short while, together, take a deep breath, and figure out where we’re going.

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        Just imagine. We could be an interplanetary species by now. Instead of solving problems, we instead create them for short-term monetary gains.

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      Unfortunately 80% of the country wants us to continue our support of Israel or to do even more. I agree with you, but we are the minority.

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          I misquoted the poll I was thinking of. It’s about 40% who say the US involvement is enough or that we should do more. 20% say we should be doing less. My point that we are the minority still stands.

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            If Trump wins it’s not going to be because of foreign policy. The US economy is probably going to be the top issue by far.

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            If Trump beats Biden things won’t improve for Muslims anywhere.

            Anyway… tankie accelerationists are a very small minority of the electorate and probably wouldn’t vote even if Biden did everything they wanted.

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              Let’s be clear, if Trump beat Biden, SCotUS will make a path allowing Trump to exile Muslims & strip their citizenship.

              It can & will happen here.

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            Lmao you underestimate the religious people in this country. Sure we have Muslims but they are far outnumbered by Christians. Christianity is a bloodthirsty religion. Their whole religion involved taking from others outside of their group. Their rules applied only to others like themselves, it was totally fine to fuck over other people. The other people are people who equate anti Israel to antisemitism and dont want to be accused of such things.

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        80% of the country wants us to continue our support of Israel or to do even more

        Source?

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          Anecdotally, I can say this. I live in red country. Everyone I talk to is unconditional about supporting Israel.

          Still though, I think if Trump were to come out tomorrow and condemn Israel and back Palestine, they’d all shit themselves, go home and change their pants, and then still vote for Trump. Seriously,

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            Ok. Well I’m an American Jew who’s been to Israel twice, and have been taught my entire life that it’s the promised land, and I say they’re currently war criminals.

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              Another American Jew here. I have never been to Israel, I don’t want to go to Israel and I do not support Israel, its apartheid or its genocide.

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                Sadly seems like Christianity is the biggest culprit for getting on board with genocide

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                  They need all the Jews to return to Israel to rebuild the Great Temple so Jesus will return. But they’re going to have to kill me because there’s no fucking way I’m going to Israel.

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              You may have also benefitted from an education that prioritized critical thinking and empathy

              Which is a pretty unrelatable experience for most Americans

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          I mean we all know this. It’s a matter of historical fact. It’s like living with a parent who completely gaslit the whole family. Everyone knows it’s all bullshit, but everyone has too keep playing along.

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    Ah yes, because it’s not about doing what is right, it’s about political gain. Fuck america so so much.

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      In theory the two are supposed to be aligned. Political will is supposed to go up when the politicians do what’s right and down when they do wrong. That’s what is going on here but I agree that they aren’t usually aligned.

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        Not really. I highly doubt it will be rescheduled prior to election when they are just talking about it now.

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        Liberal cope. Maybe in 2028, maybe in 2032, certainly he/she will need to utilize this card in 2036? Wait wait but what if they wanted to pull that shit in 2040?.. Fuck

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          Lol he’s actually taken steps to reschedule it, I know you probably wish we were in a dictatorship where Biden could just say, “weed is now legal, Trump will now be put in jail, and top republicans are to be killed” but we don’t live in that world thankfully. He started the process to reschedule marijuana in 2022, with the last update being from the DEA on December 2023 being that they are reviewing whether to reschedule marijuana and what to reschedule it as. I assume if Biden just signed an executive order to change it, it would have been held up in the courts and probably overturned because of not going through a formal process ( imagine if Biden could just unilaterally make fentanyl street legal).

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              That’s literally the process he’s going to now. Not to mention it’s actually beneficial for him politically. It’s pretty sad how little you know about politics, yet you feel the need to discuss it.

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            imagine if Biden could just unilaterally make fentanyl street legal

            Would clear up some problems for Hunter, at least

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          On top of the answer you have already received (people forget by the time election rolls around), I’ll be extra pessimistic and say that majority of Americans publicly support progressive policies, but may in private and in the ballot box lean more conservative. If you know you sound like a monster, you might say the nice things in public, but then when not accountable for their image in the ballot box… well…

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            You might have a point if the poll was asking people about race or any other sensitive topic, but people will not dress up their opinions if they don’t think they’ll get attacked for them. Nobody has their job threatened if they advocate for private health insurance companies.

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              Sure, not all progressive policies have this phenomenon, but for some, even in a relatively private but not actually private or anonymous context being asked about some policies may elicit a different reaction.

              All of the cited policies in that article has a counterpoint that may drive different anonymous private behavior.

              They will mean either taxes go up or companies that you buy from may have to spend more money. So it’s incredibly selfish to declare that people shouldn’t have a livable wage, shouldn’t have access to workable income when accommodating a newborn, shouldn’t have access to higher education. However, in the ballot box someone might be very selfish “I make more than minimum wage, so I don’t care, but I do care that it might raise prices, I am not about to have a kid, so happy to screw over those that are for the sake of the companies saving money, I have health insurance and so I don’t care if someone else can’t realistically have it/afford it”.

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                So you’re saying that in a poll, people would lie and say they want higher taxes but in private they want lower taxes? Why? Wanting lower taxes is, again, not something that would bring on attacks, there is no reason to lie about that. No one’s name is being publicized in this poll either. You’re making up all these odd scenarios to try to get an opposite answer to what is staring you in the face right there.

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                People argue against a livable wage all the time, though. They just say that those jobs “were never meant to be a career”, that it’s “supposed to be for kids earning extra spending cash”, that “if people want to make good money they need to develop skills”. They’ll tell you that if we interfere in the “free market”, it will wreck the economy, and we’ll all be starving. They’re thrilled to tell you how they, or their parents, made sure to be in a good financial position before having kids, and if people have kids who can’t afford the costs including time off to be good parents, that’s because those people are irresponsible. And on down the line. They’ll shame you for “demanding free stuff”, and walk away feeling smugly superior.

                It’s just fundamentally not how human psychology works to publicly acknowledge what you think is good, and then privately work against it. People who do the worst and most selfish things always have a justification for it.

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                  Some people will happily express that sentiment.

                  Others might be more reserved…

                  At least that’s the a way I can reconcile all these countless articles that repeatedly show that like 70-80% of people support key policies of the democrat platform, and yet the elections seem to break almost even between republican and democrat. Districting shenanigans and the electoral college can account for some oddities, but the senate keeps being roughly a tie and even the popular vote for president is much closer than all this data suggests it should be.

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          The election cycle.

          It doesn’t matter if people support it if they don’t remember it well enough to come out to vote when it matters. You see this with Biden already, people completely missing the effort they have made for tons of work that people support.

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            Yet republican voters are far more dedicated to voting because the republican party makes bold promises and pushes to do them. Even if it’s as stupid as a border wall, they’ll make that promise and actually get funding for it and build at least part of it. Democrats, though, “it’s not feasible”, “it’s not possible”, “we can’t do that”, “it’s not realistic”. If democrats would show that they at least try, voters would try. No, forgiving a few billion in student loans here or there after letting the problem build up to 1.7 trillion dollars isn’t enough effort. What if instead they said “we will eliminate student loan debt completely” and then work on it, instead of hitting up low-hanging fruit like enforcing existing student loan forgiveness programs that forgive after 10+ years of interest payments?

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      That’s kind of inevitable, and not such a bad thing. The president is one person. One person shouldn’t be deciding what is right arbitrarily. For the president to be looking at what the people want, that’s a good thing. Now, our democratic systems are deeply flawed, so that “what the people want” and “what improves electoral chances” are not as closely tied as they should be, but that’s another matter.

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        Yeah it’s basically baked into the system. Politicians will be politicians and there are other checks and balances like the vote that are supposed to keep them reigned in. Not excusing bad behavior on the part of politicans, but as voters we could excercise more control over them if we were more educated and organized. There are too many crappy politicians that aren’t afraid for their jobs.

        This is obviously simplifying and ignores other urgent problems like gerrymandering, vote suppression, and money in politics.

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      It’s not even what’s right in full. Rescheduling helps get us towards legalization someday but rescheduling probably also means people are still going to be sitting in jail for possession until well after 2028.

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      Why not both, though. Plus not letting Trump be the president (which happens through political gain) is doing what is right.

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    People are funny.

    Biden will probably get this done. He said he was going to, seems like the administrative steps to do so are happening.

    But here’s what will happen: the Supreme Court is getting ready to shred another longstanding precedent known as the Chevron Doctrine. Without Chevron, any federal court will be able to enjoin any action of any federal agency just by saying that the agency’s interpretation of the statute, even though it’s reasonable, isn’t what Congress really intended. In other words, agencies will no longer be able to regulate much of anything because corporations will just file a lawsuit in some backwards ass federal court district and the judge’s interpretation of the statute will carry more weight than the agency that administers the statute.

    That’s the Republican plan, here. They give half a shit about DEA administrative scheduling, they can’t wait to destroy the FCC, SEC, IRS, EPA, FTC, FEC, etc. If the DEA reschedules cannabis, and the Republicans cannot lock up enough black and brown people, they will judge shop until they find one to say doing so isn’t what Congress intended with cannabis prohibition statutes, and enjoin the rescheduling.

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        Perhaps our definition of dystopia differ, but any country led by an authoritarian Trump with Project 2025 underway, where the executive branch is dissolved to favor a Trump dictatorship, I’d call that a fascist dystopia.

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    I hope Republicans get behind it and reap benefits too. Rescheduling shouldn’t end up another political victim like health care was.

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    They legalised cannibis in NY and now my 79 year old mother is getting high at parties. Thanks Obama.

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      Unfortunately the scheduling is in the way to becoming legal because it’s been such a roadblock for so long.