40 billion each year to end global hunger by 2030. Everyone is everyone in the whole world. These figures are from the Un food programme’s. Population would not explode, because malthusian economics are for eco fascists. Rich people that have no food insecurity have Less kids, not more. See all of Europe and the US and many other countries as examples. Human population is not the graph about wolves and deer you saw in 10th grade biology.
We literally tried this in the 90s, when we had tons of money and were in a good mood.
Warlords sprung up, pirated the shipments and controlled them for power throughout Africa, including somalia/Mogadishu.
I’m not saying we shouldn’t do it anyway, but it’s not as easy as it sounds.
Mostly, Saudi Arabia would do everything it could to disrupt this because they don’t want poor people getting any food if it doesn’t include indoctrination in their wahhabist Islam schools because as holders of mecca and Medina they believe they can use militant Islam to expand their influence throughout both the middle east and Africa (though isis backfired and made them think twice for a few years, they’re back at it now).
So I did qualify as organized, but there are also tales where Buddhism becomes authoritarian and onerous, often small villages ruled by an elder monk and a few others.
I don’t consider those examples representative, more as proof that religion is an easy thing to corrupt for power. Otherwise I’d agree Buddhism seems more resilient to this than most, which makes sense, in a way it began a protest against the corruption and brutality in Hinduism.
Sorry that I ask questions instead of accepting whatever.
Claiming that you just need to throw X money at such an extremely complex issue and then it will be solved world wide is just laughable. As if there are no bad actors etc. pp.
Just asking questions about if poor people should have enough food to live or if that would make them breed too much, no fucked-up Malthusian undertones here, nossir
That was never the point. The point is precisely that many poor people will NOT see the money/food/help just like all the times before now.
I also assume that, even if they miraculously really all get it, you will have at least one boomer generation, so more people per area that need to be fed. You then need to immediately get education up and running. Things then need to be stable for decades to make the fertility rate drop. It is not a simple “costs X then solved forever worldwide” kind of thing. It is also not something we can somehow “force” on them, at least not by throwing money at the problem.
Damn you’re right, it’s almost like we need to also restructure society in such a way that prioritizes human need and equitable access to resources and education on an ongoing basis, instead of the maximization of profits at the expense of literally everyone on Earth. It’s a good thing the world isn’t currently being ravaged by an economic order reliant on murder, starvation and inefficiency, otherwise this persistent handwringing about logistics and overpopulation would seem really strange and premature.
Like dude, no person or faction with the political will to go up against the forces keeping people in poverty is currently in any position to do so. We’re talking about a make-believe scenario, and the fact that even then your mind goes immediately to “overpopulation” is mega sus and indicative of where your priorities are.
Yes, you did provide a source. But you are neither of the 2 people I replied to, so I am not sure why you tell me this out how it is relevant to what I said to this other person?
Damn bro thats crazy who do you have to pay this totally real money to, and why, and what happens if you don’t? You need to grow up and open your eyes, you’re like a medeival peasant telling me that the King’s authority is a natural and divinely ordained part of nature. It’s sad.
Look, you can live in your parents bedroom not having to pay rent, surfing Lenny on thy internet you don’t pay for and act like you are the smartest person. Come to me when you get kicked out. Nice strawman by the way. Lrn to argue.
But I get it, teenagers have a very small minded mentality. You’ll look back and realize how dumb you sound one day. Hopefully. Also hopefully your age matches your mental state. Otherwise you’re a lost cause.
Look if you can tell me about some communist commune where I don’t have to do anything but posts shifty takes online, let me know. I’m down to be a bum. Otherwise you are aren’t old enough for real responsibilities and you don’t know better, or going to your boring 9-5 making your money to try to stay afloat and talking out your ass online.
20 billion dollar per year? To feed everyone (who is that?) for a year? Wound that be sustainable or would populations explode?
40 billion each year to end global hunger by 2030. Everyone is everyone in the whole world. These figures are from the Un food programme’s. Population would not explode, because malthusian economics are for eco fascists. Rich people that have no food insecurity have Less kids, not more. See all of Europe and the US and many other countries as examples. Human population is not the graph about wolves and deer you saw in 10th grade biology.
https://www.wfpusa.org/articles/how-much-would-it-cost-to-end-world-hunger/
We literally tried this in the 90s, when we had tons of money and were in a good mood.
Warlords sprung up, pirated the shipments and controlled them for power throughout Africa, including somalia/Mogadishu.
I’m not saying we shouldn’t do it anyway, but it’s not as easy as it sounds.
Mostly, Saudi Arabia would do everything it could to disrupt this because they don’t want poor people getting any food if it doesn’t include indoctrination in their wahhabist Islam schools because as holders of mecca and Medina they believe they can use militant Islam to expand their influence throughout both the middle east and Africa (though isis backfired and made them think twice for a few years, they’re back at it now).
Oh yeah, I almost forgot about the ‘religious fundamentalist’ angle. How many poor people are lured in by promises of food security?
All the organized religions insist on inequality, it’s the only way to keep a pool of vulnerable followers.
Depends on how you define the word religion.
Buddhism is legally a religion for example, but has little in common with major middle eastern/western religions.
So I did qualify as organized, but there are also tales where Buddhism becomes authoritarian and onerous, often small villages ruled by an elder monk and a few others.
I don’t consider those examples representative, more as proof that religion is an easy thing to corrupt for power. Otherwise I’d agree Buddhism seems more resilient to this than most, which makes sense, in a way it began a protest against the corruption and brutality in Hinduism.
Exactly.
And yeah, the monk’s in Myanmar sold out. So, nothing is uncorruptible.
Hm no you’re right, better to let millions starve
Money is imaginary
Sorry that I ask questions instead of accepting whatever. Claiming that you just need to throw X money at such an extremely complex issue and then it will be solved world wide is just laughable. As if there are no bad actors etc. pp.
Just asking questions about if poor people should have enough food to live or if that would make them breed too much, no fucked-up Malthusian undertones here, nossir
That was never the point. The point is precisely that many poor people will NOT see the money/food/help just like all the times before now.
I also assume that, even if they miraculously really all get it, you will have at least one boomer generation, so more people per area that need to be fed. You then need to immediately get education up and running. Things then need to be stable for decades to make the fertility rate drop. It is not a simple “costs X then solved forever worldwide” kind of thing. It is also not something we can somehow “force” on them, at least not by throwing money at the problem.
Damn you’re right, it’s almost like we need to also restructure society in such a way that prioritizes human need and equitable access to resources and education on an ongoing basis, instead of the maximization of profits at the expense of literally everyone on Earth. It’s a good thing the world isn’t currently being ravaged by an economic order reliant on murder, starvation and inefficiency, otherwise this persistent handwringing about logistics and overpopulation would seem really strange and premature.
Like dude, no person or faction with the political will to go up against the forces keeping people in poverty is currently in any position to do so. We’re talking about a make-believe scenario, and the fact that even then your mind goes immediately to “overpopulation” is mega sus and indicative of where your priorities are.
It is not whatever. I have provided a credible source for you for the numbers in another comment 6 hours ago. Please stop arguing in bad faith.
Yes, you did provide a source. But you are neither of the 2 people I replied to, so I am not sure why you tell me this out how it is relevant to what I said to this other person?
Money is only imaginary until I have to pay to keep a roof over my kids heads and feed them. Grow up and open your eyes.
Damn bro thats crazy who do you have to pay this totally real money to, and why, and what happens if you don’t? You need to grow up and open your eyes, you’re like a medeival peasant telling me that the King’s authority is a natural and divinely ordained part of nature. It’s sad.
Look, you can live in your parents bedroom not having to pay rent, surfing Lenny on thy internet you don’t pay for and act like you are the smartest person. Come to me when you get kicked out. Nice strawman by the way. Lrn to argue. But I get it, teenagers have a very small minded mentality. You’ll look back and realize how dumb you sound one day. Hopefully. Also hopefully your age matches your mental state. Otherwise you’re a lost cause.
Gen X coolguy detected, opinion double discarded lmao
Look if you can tell me about some communist commune where I don’t have to do anything but posts shifty takes online, let me know. I’m down to be a bum. Otherwise you are aren’t old enough for real responsibilities and you don’t know better, or going to your boring 9-5 making your money to try to stay afloat and talking out your ass online.