Why YSK: Beehaw defederated from Lemmy.World and Sh.itjust.works effectively shadowbanning anyone from those instances. You will not be able to interact with their users or posts.

Edit: A lot of people are asking why Beehaw did this. I want to keep this post informational and not color it with my personal opinion. I am adding a link to the Beehaw announcement if you are interested in reading it, you can form your own views. https://beehaw.org/post/567170

  • Elkaki123@vlemmy.net
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    1 year ago

    Why would you not be welcome? Is it for your political opinions? Even if it were, I don’t think they would personally shun you unless it entails attacking minorities.

    That aside, and having said that of course it is everyone’s perrogative to judge this behavior, I personally feel it is an exaggeration. Not every instance is about free speech nor should they be, at the end of the day the fediverse is about creating communities, one is able and should shape them into what their vision of that is. This is not authoritarianism, in this case they said it is due to their inability to moderate.

    Even if it weren’t for that, it is good that communities don’t federate with every instance, aa I said, not everyone is about free speech and changing opinions some are here to have a good time and for that adequate protection is necessary.

    I myself prefer deciding myself when to block other instances, so I joined one that let’s users decide. But if other instances decided to block us I would understand and either move on or join another instance to interact with them without thinking much about it (having multiple accounts is kind of easy on the apps,)

    I think I’m kind of used from servers blocking one another from my time on mastodon and I’ve seen the necessity of the practice, for example an anime focused group blocking bot instances, brigading, alt right groups, etc.

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      1 year ago

      This is not authoritarianism, in this case they said it is due to their inability to moderate.

      Rationally I think this is straight bullshit. Their inability to moderate is because of the desire to control the political direction of topics. If people want an echo chamber, fine, but I’m calling it out.

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        1 year ago

        If people want an echo chamber, fine, but I’m calling it out.

        Yes, that was always allowed. Beehaw is extremely up front about the kinds of voices and perspectives welcome on it. It never claimed to be a bastion of free speech. Complaining about that is like saying you don’t like a burger restaurant because they don’t serve sushi.

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          1 year ago

          Dude this is a discussion based website, and you’re complaining about me complaining? Pot meet kettle.

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            1 year ago

            you’re complaining about me complaining?

            I think it was Alexander Pope who once said that bad criticism does more harm than bad writing. Same principle applies here. Your criticism is bad. You don’t like getting “called out on it,” then make a better one.

            • CorruptBuddha@lemmy.ca
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              1 year ago

              Dude I’m voicing my opinion. You apparently don’t even disagree you just dislike like I’m expressing it? What’s your deal?

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                1 year ago

                Your opinion encompasses a criticism of another Lemmy community on the basis that it doesn’t operate in a way that you like. Which is fine. But you framed it as a fault of the community itself and not a matter of personal preference. My “deal” is that I don’t think that’s very cash money of you, pimp.

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                  I don’t give two fucks what you think about the “framing” of what I’ve said. Would you get upset if someone said “McDonald’s is shit food” or “Reality TV is shit television”?

                  Anyways, your criticism has absolutely nothing to do with the content of my comment. You’ve said you agree with me so 🤷‍♀️

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                    1 year ago

                    I guess it depends on the context. If someone said that McDonald’s quality was fine for the amount of money you spent and is a fine choice if you’re traveling and need to grab something quick to eat and your immediate reply was just that it was shit, I would say that if your opinion is given as a response to someone else’s and is poorly worded or thought out, you’ve automatically opened yourself to having your opinion criticized.

                    That said, do you not recall that your original response in this thread was to someone who said about Beehaw

                    This is not authoritarianism, in this case they said it is due to their inability to moderate.

                    And you disagreed with THEIR opinion?

                    This entire thing is me thinking your opinion is bad, while your original comment was you saying you think someone else’s opinion is bad.

                    Pot, meet kettle.

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        1 year ago

        Fine, I just don’t get the echo chamber feeling but admittedly I only use beehive for gaming/anime/escapism hobby related communities so I haven’t seen it being all about conteolling politics, at least not directly.

        At the end of the day I barely get what you mean by controlling politics, since it is not apparent on the communities I visit. Also keep in mind, I’m not american so if this is about the culture war over there or a republicans vs democrats thing I probably won’t notice it since it hasn’t affected any discussion I’ve had.

        But I would need concrete examples for me to see it as authoritarian because in a vacuum as I explained I can see communities pulling this kind of conduct without it being about controlling the discourse per se but more about helping communities.

        Edit: forgot to say, but if it was over politics I don’t think that would necessitate a ban lemmy.world (or alternative ly that would mean complete defederation) since it has no clear political affiliation, I see it just it being massive and difficult to moderate otherwise they would have targeted many other toxic instances way before touching .world.

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          So if you take Reveddit, and go look at Reddit communities you’ll see massive political disparity in how comments are moderated. Go look at beehaw modlogs and you’ll see the same thing.

          If you personally aren’t able to see the bias in moderating, sorry I don’t know how to teach that.