Many people are hesitant to identify as atheists because of the social stigma they may face, making it hard to pinpoint connections and differences among this group.
Maybe if atheists didn’t abrasively proselytize so much, and denigrate every other faith, they’d feel more comfortable being in the open with their religion.
Aaaaand there we have yet another religious projectionist.
“Maybe if those atheists would stop giving valid criticisms and became religious instead, they’d feel more comfortable being in the open”
Maybe ask atheists in the middle east why they don’t come out? Nah, they don’t want to die
Maybe ask atheists in southern and mid wesrern US states why they don’t come out? Nah, they don’t want to be ostracized by their families and friends for “being an evil baby eater”
Somebody else already posted the Wikipedia link here about state atheism. Atheists are no more innocent than other people.
Maybe it’s radical, even unfathomable; but it’s almost as if the only pathway with any chance of peace is one where enough people can come to recognize that every. single. person. has their own set of beliefs, and the only kind of accord that has any chance of working for everyone, is one that actively supports diversity of belief.
This is true (and I am an atheist). Our disability is that we have to own our shittiness instead of saying “God told me to do it”, which in the eyes in a lot of theists, is a get-out-of-jail-free card.
No, it’s not true, see my other comment to the same post you replied to. Atheist can be antagonistic at times for sure, but with a good reason. We don’t want religious people dead just because some atheist rule says so.
Maybe if the (blacks/gays/women/etc) weren’t so loud and in your face, we could accept them as equals.
Go fuck yourself with the horse you rode in on. This some high level ignorant shit for someone that claims to be so spiritually enlightened. You need to reexamine your biases.
It’s pretty cringe to compare the circumstances of atheism to the kinds of oppression black people, women, and lgbtq+ have. Atheism has been a source of oppression as much as atheists have been oppressed.
It is ‘cringe’ to blame any oppressed group of people for being oppressed, that’s the whole point.
Does South African persecution of whites suddenly undo what black people in America have suffered through? Of fucking course not, that’s idiocy.
The fact that a very few atheist states were established in the last century, and a few of them have been oppressive to the religious in that state, does not magically undo thousands of years of persecution. Especially when Atheists are still persecuted and put to death. There are nearly as many countries today that still criminalize atheism (13 total) as there have been atheist states throughout all of recorded history (~20 depending on how picky you want to be).
If you believe that your religion is the only valid one, and that the others need to go away, then you are as bad as an evangelical. Anti-theists are just the hypocritical mirror image of evangelicals.
You’re talking about how it SHOULD be. Not how it it’s becoming. And besides- I’m talking about internet “atheism,” not atheism. On the Internet, a truism is basically just hatred as smugness. And it’s evolving into a full-on religion.
You’re talking about how it SHOULD be. Not how it it’s becoming.
No, I am talking about both.
Atheism has no tenets, holy books, authority figures, etc. Nor is it developing those things. That applies in person and on the internet. It is in no way a religion. Not playing golf isn’t a sport.
There is a difference between a belief system and a religion. Beleg in the scientific method, for instance, is not a religion. In fact it is the only belief system that seeks out to falsify it’s tenets. Also it presupposes no overbearing creator or idea.
However not all atheists have the same belief system, however non believers in a god, hence a-theos. One you get those involved you’re becoming a religion.
Yeah to be honest I just didn’t feel like digging into the nuances. There is atheism (nonreligious), and there is Atheism (religious). And to be clear, that’s totally fine. I have nothing against a/Atheism, only anti-theism or any other form of religious exclusivism.
Fair enough. It is a bit of nuance your should consider sharing, as some people in this sub feel antagonized by the idea of being labeled religious. I know that might be the exact self-identifying and group type dynamic that you may equate with religion (I would disagree, but that’s another thing).
However putting it as bluntly as you did might not help in getting your point across, and that’s a shame as it is actually an interesting area for discussion.
I get what you’re saying, but it’s not. It’s an ideology. However- with the blind hatred of others who chose to believe differently, they may as well rebrand and become Christianity minus a god.
Atheists just “don’t believe in your thing”. Do you not believe in some things? Do you believe in the Norse gods? There are thousands of gods you probably don’t believe in.
Not true. As a panentheistic polytheist I feel entirely comfortable affirming (or at least being open to) the existence of literally any noncorporeal entity you can talk about. I just might not have any interest in engaging with that entity.
Maybe if atheists didn’t abrasively proselytize so much, and denigrate every other faith, they’d feel more comfortable being in the open with their religion.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Aaaaand there we have yet another religious projectionist.
“Maybe if those atheists would stop giving valid criticisms and became religious instead, they’d feel more comfortable being in the open”
Maybe ask atheists in the middle east why they don’t come out? Nah, they don’t want to die
Maybe ask atheists in southern and mid wesrern US states why they don’t come out? Nah, they don’t want to be ostracized by their families and friends for “being an evil baby eater”
Somebody else already posted the Wikipedia link here about state atheism. Atheists are no more innocent than other people.
Maybe it’s radical, even unfathomable; but it’s almost as if the only pathway with any chance of peace is one where enough people can come to recognize that every. single. person. has their own set of beliefs, and the only kind of accord that has any chance of working for everyone, is one that actively supports diversity of belief.
This is true (and I am an atheist). Our disability is that we have to own our shittiness instead of saying “God told me to do it”, which in the eyes in a lot of theists, is a get-out-of-jail-free card.
No, it’s not true, see my other comment to the same post you replied to. Atheist can be antagonistic at times for sure, but with a good reason. We don’t want religious people dead just because some atheist rule says so.
Bullshit.
Show me the atheist that murdered religious people because of atheism. Show me the atheist that committed countless crimes because of atheism.
Show me the atheist that hates other religions to the point where they will harass funerals because the dead one was religious.
It doesn’t happen. You know what does happen though?
Eat shit
Go fuck yourself with the horse you rode in on. This some high level ignorant shit for someone that claims to be so spiritually enlightened. You need to reexamine your biases.
It’s pretty cringe to compare the circumstances of atheism to the kinds of oppression black people, women, and lgbtq+ have. Atheism has been a source of oppression as much as atheists have been oppressed.
It is ‘cringe’ to blame any oppressed group of people for being oppressed, that’s the whole point.
Does South African persecution of whites suddenly undo what black people in America have suffered through? Of fucking course not, that’s idiocy.
The fact that a very few atheist states were established in the last century, and a few of them have been oppressive to the religious in that state, does not magically undo thousands of years of persecution. Especially when Atheists are still persecuted and put to death. There are nearly as many countries today that still criminalize atheism (13 total) as there have been atheist states throughout all of recorded history (~20 depending on how picky you want to be).
I sincerely hope this is a troll or sarcasm.
If you believe that your religion is the only valid one, and that the others need to go away, then you are as bad as an evangelical. Anti-theists are just the hypocritical mirror image of evangelicals.
Atheism isn’t a religion bud.
It’s becoming one.
No it isn’t. It has no tenets, no holy books, no authority figures. By definition it is a lack of a religion.
You’re talking about how it SHOULD be. Not how it it’s becoming. And besides- I’m talking about internet “atheism,” not atheism. On the Internet, a truism is basically just hatred as smugness. And it’s evolving into a full-on religion.
No, I am talking about both.
Atheism has no tenets, holy books, authority figures, etc. Nor is it developing those things. That applies in person and on the internet. It is in no way a religion. Not playing golf isn’t a sport.
You still don’t understand what I am saying so I will try and explain it one more time:
What you’re describing is ATHEISM. And you are correct. But…. What I’m talking about is this thing kids are CALLING “atheism.”
It’s not atheism. It’s angsty hatred for cool points. They’ve co-opted the word and made it something else. Actual atheism isn’t about smug hatred.
Yes it is.
It’s a religion in the same way that having no favorite sports team is itself someone’s favorite team.
There is a difference between a belief system and a religion. Beleg in the scientific method, for instance, is not a religion. In fact it is the only belief system that seeks out to falsify it’s tenets. Also it presupposes no overbearing creator or idea.
However not all atheists have the same belief system, however non believers in a god, hence a-theos. One you get those involved you’re becoming a religion.
Yeah to be honest I just didn’t feel like digging into the nuances. There is atheism (nonreligious), and there is Atheism (religious). And to be clear, that’s totally fine. I have nothing against a/Atheism, only anti-theism or any other form of religious exclusivism.
Fair enough. It is a bit of nuance your should consider sharing, as some people in this sub feel antagonized by the idea of being labeled religious. I know that might be the exact self-identifying and group type dynamic that you may equate with religion (I would disagree, but that’s another thing).
However putting it as bluntly as you did might not help in getting your point across, and that’s a shame as it is actually an interesting area for discussion.
I get what you’re saying, but it’s not. It’s an ideology. However- with the blind hatred of others who chose to believe differently, they may as well rebrand and become Christianity minus a god.
Atheists just “don’t believe in your thing”. Do you not believe in some things? Do you believe in the Norse gods? There are thousands of gods you probably don’t believe in.
Not true. As a panentheistic polytheist I feel entirely comfortable affirming (or at least being open to) the existence of literally any noncorporeal entity you can talk about. I just might not have any interest in engaging with that entity.
U dropped this lol \
The irony