Not all the members are. For example, the person whom I refer to, who got instance-banned for suggesting that perhaps Elon’s gesture didn’t have ill intent, and for being a KF member, is first and foremost a trans ally and has a trans (FTM) brother. She’s written many posts where she expresses her support for the trans community and that trans people are valid. He came out as transgender when she was eight, which would have made him thirteen at the time. She was actually the first to fully accept him for who he was, since she had always wanted a brother, and in her mind, this was the brother she had been waiting for since she was born. He’s always been the most special brother she could have, and that hasn’t changed, even with everything that’s happened. Alignment with a site doesn’t mean one endorses the actions of the more questionable members on the site. I can see that those who are against Kiwi Farms are from two demographics that see themselves at odds with it.

It’s probably a good thing that, to the best of my knowledge, I don’t fit most definitions of a troll, now, isn’t it?

You say that like other social media sites, such as Discord, haven’t been associated with bad behavior and mass violence. It’s not looking good for Discord. I think a ban on all Discord members is in order if you’re going to ban Kiwi Farms members without due process.

What was so funny about my reply?

If you’re referring to appealing to due process in regards to Musk’s gesture, let’s not forget that his own daughter famously proved herself wrong about him.

Also, some people suffer from a condition known as hypergraphia. I assume you know that the Fediverse does not take kindly to ableism or bigotry.

Appealing to due process isn’t sealioning. Imagine if a stranger approached you on the street and made sweeping accusations about someone in your neighborhood, presenting ‘evidence’ that’s open to interpretation. Wouldn’t it be normal for those involved to question the validity of those claims? It feels like an attack rooted in bias even if that’s not the intent. If we applied the logic behind ‘sealioning’ accusations to every situation, we wouldn’t have courts or fact-checkers. Imagine if Elon Musk simply responded to criticism in his Community Notes program by dismissing everyone with, “Oh, you silly sealioners, you don’t know the full story”.

And I maintain that the capacity to truly articulate one’s own intentions resides solely with the individual, and this principle is no less applicable to Musk. We are not the proxy of his mind, and only he, the bearer of his thoughts, is able to tell us what his intentions are or were. It may seem alluring to some people to project interpretations onto his actions, particularly in light of his often politically fraught and somewhat inept conduct, any presumption that we can definitively comprehend his underlying motivations remain speculative at best. Those who have distanced themselves from him are, more often than not, reacting not to his genuine intent, but rather to their own constructed perceptions of him though their response, inherently subjective, is entirely within their purview. Let’s not forget that Elon Musk’s daughter famously ended up proving herself wrong about him.

Upon hearing people’s assertion that they are experts in fascism, an intricate and multifaceted ideology, I find myself inclined to assume that they would, at the very least, undertake the intellectual task of articulating a comprehensive definition of what fascism entails, or at least perhaps delve into an exhaustive exploration of the foundational principles and essential pillars that constitute its ideological framework. To date, none have done so, and I’ve seen the bar being set so low that if you so as to say that what was perceived of Musk’s gesture was not what he intended, you’re branded as a fascist or even a Nazi apologist.

If this isn’t an example of guilt by association, I don’t know what is. She is first and foremost a trans ally and has a trans (FTM) brother. She’s written many posts where she expresses her support for the trans community and that trans people are valid. He came out as transgender when she was eight, which would have made him thirteen at the time. She was actually the first to fully accept him for who he was, since she had always wanted a brother, and in her mind, this was the brother she had been waiting for since she was born. He’s always been the most special brother she could have, and that hasn’t changed, even with everything that’s happened. Alignment with a site doesn’t mean one endorses the actions of the more questionable members on the site. I can see that those who are against Kiwi Farms are from two demographics that see themselves at odds with it.

I’m simply pointing out a double standard which exists. The Fediverse seems to be singling out KF users specifically as if no other site has questionable people on it.

You say that like Discord hasn’t had its fair share of questionable members, including links to mass violence. Yet I don’t see Fediverse members being banned from multiple instances immediately after being sussed out as Discord members. I’m here to question a double standard and unwritten rule that exists within the Fediverse as a whole.

You say that like Discord hasn’t been linked to mass violence before. Yet for some reason, the Fediverse appears to have a double standard in which people aren’t getting instantly banned once they’re sussed out as a Discord member.

The site and the owner have both made statements that they aren’t responsible for the questionable actions committed by its members. If Kiwi Farms members are punishable by instant banishment from the Fediverse for being aligned with the site, then so should Discord members, since Discord has been linked to perpetrators of mass violence.

Discord: linked to perpetrators of mass violence, yet largely overlooked.

Kiwi Farms: associated with smaller-scale harassers, and everyone demands its removal, even by proxy, such as the Fediverse banning anyone found to be affiliated with it.

The group you’re describing isn’t merely stalking people or designed for that purpose. Above all, it was created to uphold a form of free speech that many places fail to fully embrace. It explicitly states upfront that it is not responsible for the questionable actions committed by its members, and honestly, it isn’t.

KF = Kiwi Farms.