There is also a part I didn’t write into the article about how when he was a teen in the 70s his mom

I only mentioned this part of his life in the comment reply above.

I never made the claim that Assange is a US asset but I did say in the original article, and still say, that nothing happened after the Collateral Murder video, so what is even your argument? Did something happen after Collateral Murder, or not?

In the broader picture that the US military may have leaked Collateral Murder themselves, it would have played right in their hands to release it. That’s the argument.

Please don’t do this. This is a right-wing tactic: “I’m not making any claims, I’m just asking questions.”

It’s literally not. The article makes it clear there are facts many people are not aware of, and they need to know these to then be able to make an informed decision. I have defended Assange and his character at several points in the article. And frankly I don’t really care what tactics the right wing decides to use, it’s not gonna prevent me from living my life.

“Collateral murder” absolutely was damaging to the US government. It showed the callous disregard the US military had for (non-white) human life and it put them under a lot of scrutiny. It also helped a lot of “fence-sitters” take a side opposing the US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

So nothing happened.

Because that’s US policy. Not prosecuting them was also a bad look for US govt.

So nothing happened.

What? This claim needs arguments.

This is proven in the article by Wikileaks’ own webpage from 2006 which is linked earlier in the article… sorry but did you actually read through it?

“A golden prison.” lmao

We agree with each other though?

Yes, and that’s why I didn’t put it in the article?

Wasn’t Panama leaked to someone other than Wikileaks? Also interested in what he said about 9/11 if you have a source for it too, you can MD me if you prefer.

Actually Assange is the one constant face behind Wikileaks; there is an advisory board, but it’s very informal to the point that people on it never did anything, never met the other advisors, and sometimes never even knew they were on it. For all intents and purposes Assange is the only person behind Wikileaks.

If Wikileaks was a federal asset or started as one, then Assange was an asset as well, even if he didn’t know it. That’s my defense behind the title, which does ask if Assange was a federal asset.

What happened after Collateral Murder except that Manning was found out and imprisoned, thereby removing a liability in the US military? What happened after the scandal at Abu Ghraib except letting Iraqis know what will happen to them if they fight or even cross paths with a US soldier?

We can also look beyond the US stuff; Wikileaks has released plenty of documents on Iran, China and Syria to name just 3 (this was their stated purpose and is pointed out in the article, wikileaks was first started to go after the enemies of the US). The point of building credibility is to then redirect sentiment to the actual target with the segment of the population that does not normally consider that target to be an enemy. Much like Jackson Hinkle is going to be doing soon imo.

It ties him and his mom to an MK Ultra cult, but the links are a bit tenuous at this time unless new information comes out.

I start at the premise that any change anywhere brings change somewhere else, and you have to be mindful of that all the time.

Then I recommend the GOAT Elementary Principles of Philosophy

and after that I’ll write the rest later lol

Is there a way we can get these pages on ProleWiki comrade

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I banned them, seems they only existed to downvote lemmygrad content and not post or comment.

the leftypedia wrecking really was the point that made me think this guy isn’t just going after ProleWiki, he has a problem with anything that’s not “anti-revisionist” (so like 99% of communism? lol). He’s acting like a fed through and through, it would actually be surprising if he was not one!

It’s always added at the very end of the file, I don’t know if you already saw the wrecking attempt he made on Leftypedia which was added at the time also. Edit: there’s also a funny message he sent to ProleWiki at the end

haha don’t worry, the day he finally apologizes and stops we will declare sitewide celebrations!

It’s pretty funny to me that the criticisms that were made about millennials are now made verbatim against zedders without a shred of irony or memory. It’s like boomers completely glossed over the fact they were saying millenials are spoiled, want everything handed to them, can’t hold down a job, and they are now saying the exact same things about zedders while millenials, now that they are all grown up, have become part of the mainstream I guess and are not the topic of any criticism anymore.

They do and have done that. It’s known as a limited hangout but it’s become kind of the word of the day recently lol. It pays to play both sides so you can always come out on top somewhere, like betting half on red and half on black at roulette. Something gives but something else gains. And since the US government is both the casino and the player at the table, they win either way. Exposing their own crimes allows them to say “look we take accountability!” but the collateral murder video, for example, made a lot of noise but ultimately nothing happened about it other than Manning, the whistleblower (!), being jailed for a few years.

I disagree, I think it’s healthy as communists to be skeptical and do our due diligence and background checks before we start getting too confident in someone.

Assange is not a marxist and he’s not even on the left – there was a small part on his politics that I first wrote in but then edited out because there’s not much conclusive info there and it was over 10 years ago, but basically he praised Ron and Rand Paul in 2011 for being the good part of the Republicans, despite them also being anti-abortion. He’s also not a US citizen and can’t vote in the elections there but eh, when has that stopped anyone from having an opinion lol. Then in Australia the same year, the Wikileaks party put up their election lists in such a way that if you voted for them and they didn’t get any seats, your vote would then go the fascist Australia First party and then to a “men’s rights” group before it went to the Greens. I’m not sure what the relevance of the Greens was in the article I read, but even the WL party talked about them so I feel like it was very relevant at the time.

There is also a part I didn’t write into the article about how when he was a teen in the 70s his mom dated a cult leader for a few years who had some ties to MK Ultra edit: dated a cult member when Assange was very young, which was known to abduct children and provide them with false identities. The author then links that to MK Ultra experiments being similar, but that seems to be about it.

^ I didn’t include that part about the cult in the article because the source I have for it is difficult to parse and doesn’t make more links than I do, so I’m unable to really make a connection myself.

Assange/Wikileaks is only an ally insofar as some of the information they publish is interesting to anti-imperialists, but they’re not doing this out of ideological leanings that I can tell. They will – and primarily wanted to, in the beginning – post confidential documents on China, Iran, Russia, all the enemies of the US empire basically. It’s only in 2010 that they finally posted something on the US.

Take your upvote but never make that joke again 👈

How do we know they’re the same person?

edit: but the stuff they posted is enough for me tbh