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  • I’ve seen absurd scenarios where a 2 vs 4 is won by the 2, but generally, the team with the more people wins.

    Let’s talk value. You can generate more money by making a single last hit per minute than a leaver gives you passively (25 gold per minute for a single leaver), in fact, a leaver is comparable to the money aura one of the neutral rats has, which is unanimously agreed to be the worst passive skill Doom can copy in the jungle. In fact a teammate can even generate you more gold by being present, all they have to do is stack the jungle once every 3 minutes and done, they’re far more valuable than a leaver.

    But a leaver means you lost a teammate which means one less source of stuns and whatnot. You have less actionable manpower in return for that marginal amount of money. And that’s just not comparable. Even an item-less Sven can stun your enemy core and buy you 3 seconds of free hits on them. You have to pay 6000 gold and use up a slot and lose the timed-opportunity to buy something else for that effect with items.

    With more and more leavers, this becomes more complicated. Yes, each of you individually gets more gold. 66 gpm with two leavers. But, if you’re at 3 and below players a problem occurs: The map becomes too big and wide for all of you. You don’t have enough manpower. You become susceptible to ganks and splitpushes.

    Allow me to elaborate: Dota is a game with three primary driving tactics in roughly a rock paper scissors disposition. Splitpushing beats Grouping Up, Grouping Up beats Ganking and Ganking beats Splitpushes. With 3 and less players you largely lose access to anything other than grouping up and pushing. Because if one person is told to defend or farm alone, they get ganked. If you try to push, you get enemies forming distractions elsewhere that you can’t respond to without losing firepower.

    Let’s push as 3. You can still win a 3 vs 5. Enough items and spells to go around and maybe you blow someone up and make it a 3 vs 4. Easy win! Okay, but what about… You can win a 3 vs 4 + a splitpusher. But are you faster at winning a fight AND pushing than someone pushing solo unimpeded tho? And you can win a 3vs3 and push… before losing two towers against individual splitpusher solos either. You’re now entering the realm of trading towers at a loss. But worse - the solos can even split a tower AND cut your wave behind you. Basically, they waste your time and take value, and next time, they’ll do it better.

    So, just tp someone back to deal with it? Or blink backwards? Congrats, now it’s a 2vs4, or gasp a 3vs1. Kill them near your base? Your tp is on cooldown and you have to walk back to push with your other allies - oh oops, they’ll revive in time to defend. No progress. How do they even know where you’ve been moving? Oh, right. They have 2 supports that can afford to ward and give vision instead of focusing hard on objectives.

    The longer it goes, the worse for you. Take rosh? Lose a tower. Chase with two top into the jungle? Yeah they were in your triangle and top jungle taking turns shoving the other waves and are now at your Tier 3 lowering your future gold. You think you got a kill on two, but they pushed and got tormentor and now venomancer has something that will waste 2 seconds of your BKB that your leavers didn’t even fully pay for a third of.

    It’s actually a good sign that you may believe a leaver impacts the team positively as that might mean the people you’re playing with are just… Too bad at dota to strategize like this. But it should not, under any circumstances, be representative of higher tiers of play unless of someone lucks the shit out of what heroes they had. Ember Spirit, Nature’s Prophet, Tinker, Old TA aghs, and a couple others can handle player deficits better than most. The 2vs4 won by the two? It was a Nature’s Prophet and a Pugna microing the leavers, one of which was a naga who could push with illusions and sing to stall the 4. Luck played a gigantic part in that win.

    It’s weirdly also good that you see leavers with some frequency too, it means that the game didn’t lump you with smurfs. Players leave game less often the more dota they play.




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    You’re saying this… On Lemmy. You do know we have three different “trending” settings here, right?

    I honestly much prefer the idea of a chronological feed too, but disagree that’s what kills a platform. Tumblr has both the chronological and the trending for you/for all, and it was also ignored.


  • I feel what you feel, and I agree with the dehumanizing comparison, but it is what it is. I just can’t understand the mentality of the herd because it highlights a completely different set of priorities from that of good social media environment. So I hold that comparison to all its negative contempt.

    Threads comes up with minimal advertising and people join it without really caring what it does and how well it does. It comes with many of the same usability and content discoverability issues that Twitter had on a its worst of days. The hierarchy of sponsored content vs follower content vs follower interaction vs follower-of-follower content vs whatever the hell further down this clown parade Threads openly does is just completely whack. And it is still just as obfuscated as the rest in terms of being favored by its algorithm, plus monetization of content is a complete question mark. And yet people still join, and not any random person, but the every-person and the famous and the political. AOC herself ignores Mastodon and makes up an excuse, but is on Threads day one.

    And Why? Why join a mediocre, underbaked, and by the numbers platform that basically doesn’t even innovate on the previous one? Because of the promise.

    The promise it could be “The Next Big Thing”.

    Not saying I’m above it. Not saying there’s superiority in standing to opposition to this or anything. For every thing I care about here, there will be many other things I don’t and where I frustrate someone. But it still does make me overall more jaded about the world regardless.







  • Not just worse, it’s also extremely dependent on instance choice when you first try to build your circle of follows. Having to follow people to find people to follow to find further people to follow makes that first step the most important, and Mastodon’s vision of an “Everything” feed is a disorganized mess. Intentionally, for anti-viral reasons.

    The reason that’s an actual huge issue is that instance choice is also, easily, the highest barrier of entry to a new user. People are CONFUSED by it. Which means that if someone who would be in earnest willing to try Mastodon and give it time, may still end up coming out with a bad impression if they made a mistake with the prior step and couldn’t figure the right second and third step to overcome the hurdle.

    Meanwhile, here on lemmy, our choice of instance is largely irrelevant. The only change we get on our “All” feeds is just a couple top posts, so we may not have the same starting position, but we do have something in the same ballpark.

    This whole conversation is and was tiresome to have, honestly. I did see people try to solve it, but even there they’d run their onboarding environments built by mastodon users counter to what newcomers may want. For example, I saw this web wizard that would quiz me on my region and languange and also slur-censoring preferences… when all of that stuff is completely irrelevant to me - I look up entertainment communities by topics FIRST, not social philosophy, and specially not by regional peers, because fuck my regional peers.

    Anyways, point was… Everyone I know who actually stuck to Mastodon… Have mastodon.social accounts. Exclusively. But here, people are already spread between .ml, sh.itjust.works and .world.


  • Not just worse, it’s also extremely dependent on instance choice when you first try to build your circle of follows. Having to follow people to find people to follow to find further people to follow makes that first step the most important, and Mastodon’s vision of an “Everything” feed is a disorganized mess. Intentionally, for anti-viral reasons.

    The reason that’s an actual huge issue is that instance choice is also, easily, the highest barrier of entry to a new user. People are CONFUSED by it. Which means that if someone who would be in earnest willing to try Mastodon and give it time, may still end up coming out with a bad impression if they made a mistake with the prior step and couldn’t figure the right second and third step to overcome the hurdle.

    Meanwhile, here on lemmy, our choice of instance is largely irrelevant. The only change we get on our “All” feeds is just a couple top posts, so we may not have the same starting position, but we do have something in the same ballpark.

    This whole conversation is and was tiresome to have, honestly. I did see people try to solve it, but even there they’d run their onboarding environments built by mastodon users counter to what newcomers may want. For example, I saw this web wizard that would quiz me on my region and languange and also slur-censoring preferences… when all of that stuff is completely irrelevant to me - I look up entertainment communities by topics FIRST, not social philosophy, and specially not by regional peers, because fuck my regional peers.

    Anyways, point was… Everyone I know who actually stuck to Mastodon… Have mastodon.social accounts. Exclusively. But here, people are already spread between .ml, sh.itjust.works and .world.