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  • Good response. Agree. In general. I specially agree with the last paragraph.

    But it is also the case that diferent owner clases beneffit from diferent laws and ideology. The common example is the american civil war were feudal aristocrats favored low tariffs while industrial capital prefered protectionist tarifs and wage labor, and a strong state that invested in infraestructure like railroads. Views on ussury in feudal vs trade vs mixed societies is another example.

    Similarly labor relations as determined by the means of production influence the ideological positions of a society towards labor.

    No society has a single means of production, there is usually an amalgam of economic interests each of this benefits from a different law, ideology or coustom. My line of questioning was in this sense, wether diferent material basis of siciety for example pastoralists vs agriculturalists lead to different ideological spaces, and how much of that is pure idealism and how much correlates to differences in the mode of prodiction.


  • Good response. Agree. In general. I specially agree with the last paragraph.

    But it is also the case that diferent owner clases beneffit from diferent laws and ideology. The common example is the american civil war were feudal aristocrats favored low tariffs while industrial capital prefered protectionist tarifs and wage labor, and a strong state that invested in infraestructure like railroads. Views on ussury in feudal vs trade vs mixed societies is another example.

    Similarly labor relations as determined by the means of production influence the ideological positions of a society towards labor.

    No society has a single means of production, there is usually an amalgam of economic interests each of this benefits from a different law, ideology or coustom. My line of questioning was in this sense, wether diferent material basis of siciety for example pastoralists vs agriculturalists lead to different ideological spaces, and how much of that is pure idealism and how much correlates to differences in the mode of prodiction.


  • So there are some things here that i find irksome.

    Lets begin with a very useful heuristic.

    “Pots are not people, genes are not languages”

    This means that when i learnt english my original genetic materoal did not change. Similarly if a population adopts parts of a material culture that would be interpreted as such archeologically this does not mean they had the same language or that they were genetically related. Everyone can build a sky scraper.

    This is one of the reasons we cant know what happened before historical records. We can make educated guesses based on how we think certain demografic and linguistic phenomena work based on observations of hostoracal societies.

    From these we can conclude that advection, great migrations moving enough people to affect genetics, only happens in very rate ocasions. In the americas, australia, and mybe the roman peopling of the western mediterranean and russian siberia. If you are an advectionist you have to explain why pre historic societies behaved in this way. But i have not seen anyone do that. Advection is often just assumed.

    The main mover of demografic change in humans historically has been difussion. That is merchants and individual people moving around foliwing some sort of gradient.

    As such you should expect genetic markers to be areanged in large gradients, defined by geografical features. The article finds this. And this is correct.

    Everything else is either wrong or likley wrong. The mixing events are an artifice of statistical models asuming advection. They also make a number of other dubious asumptions regarding mutation rates and reconvination.

    The timline for the development of slavs and indoeuropen is also wrong. The earliest ie language in the historical record is hittite. This is newer that 4000 ybp. Then there is tocharian wich should have diverged about the same time, indo aryan apearsa few hundreth years latter. We can asume diferent rates of linguistuc change, but bsed on the historical record and asuming creolization to speed language change as beckwith does its likley proto indoeuropean began to diverge arounf 4000ybp so claiming protobaltoslavic diverged from the rest of indoeuropean languages 7 to 3.5 kybp is equivalent to claiming slavic languages are as distinct as tocharian. Utter nonsense.

    Finally we know from the historical record iranians(language wise) came from the east around 3kybp likley after they produced a horse big enough to carra a human on its back. We dont know were in the east they came from could be the altai, could be hazarajat, could be elswhere. But we know that when they got to ukraine there were already proto slavs there the bodi who happened to be agriculturalusts ocuping areas near bodies of watter hence bodi. So their model of origin for protoslavs can be easily disproven by the historical record. Specially the model with so many advection events.

    Finally asuming advection is a calvinist doctrine that implies your birth (genetics) determines rour position, that race is a rwal thing and the main mover of history instead of just an artifice of circumstance. And that genocide was common. But the truth is genocide is ver hard, it requiers either a certain level of state capacity we have only arrived at in the last 150 years or vast technologica demografic or epidemiological gradients. All these asumptions and implications are wrong and the sort of people tgat beleve them are irksome.


  • Does anybody have jerry pournelles phd thesis? I have not been able to find it. But its related to this type of horoscope.

    Now idealy each question should be its own axis of variation. And then you would do a pca or similar to define your political space with that basis. That method would be more objective.

    And could lead to interesting questions, how do these arrangments vary culturally. Both the spaces and their dimentionality. Maybe in some cultures the first “n” axes are all really similar while in others one axis sufices to represent most of the variation? How does these variations relate to social economic and other struvctural forces? Do diferent compositions and or historical pathways to capital produce diferent ideological relations in semengly unrelated isues? Etc.

    Or you could run all sorts of analysis to create your ideological space not just pca but network embeding or some of the fancy new shit.

    But in this case the space is asumed a priori wich is shit. I dont know if dr pournelle also pulls the space out of his ass or if he does some statistical justification. The psichological tests that look for protestant virtues like agreeablnes, concienciousnes etc serm to operate under a similar system are those categories aslo bullshit or is there a correlation analysis used to define them?




  • No it peaked with boomers. In my family the boomers are fine. Then, except for me gen xers and younger dont know a file system from their ass.

    And, of the milenials i know only the wierd nerds know how to use a pc. Even in programing class. As in, “man you are suposedley a chemichal engeenier this is your computer dont tell me you dont know wich key is the exponentiation sing?”

    This is why all the boomers were into q anon and 4 chan memes. I think it has to do with boomer entitlment, the same thing that makes them go out without a mask and spit in each othets faces, they feel they are the best and invincible and so they give these computer things a try and learn to use them because its not that hard.