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  • preemptive war

    OK - reacting-only would reduce wars of aggression.

    How about if 98% of UN members votes for an allied attack against something that almost everyone agrees is psychotic, like ISIS, NK, Eritrea, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, etc.? Does the combination of actions and clear intent not make pre-emptive war and regime change of these seem like the right thing?

    Ahmed Yassin

    Here I don’t agree - I think the 1988 Hamas charter is utterly indefensible.

    these type of groups form as a direct result of imperial violence.

    Yes, and Israel was formed in response to the Holocaust and pogroms. Hamas is also genocidal, just incompetent - but would be worse. I think both should be boycotted and sanctioned, until Israeli voters stop voting the way they have been (which might not happen until they reject religion and racism), and Gazans overthrow Hamas (which seems more possible than in e.g. NK).

    nuclear weapons

    not offensive, but defensive

    Yeah, allowing Iran to get/create nukes and intercontinental delivery, would reduce the chances of attacks against it like the recent ones by USA and Israel, which would be good for the normal people of Iran in the short and medium term.

    When it comes to the people (not the regimes) I think that the Israeli, older Gazan, and USA citizens are the worst because of the way they vote(d); while the Iranians might be the least bad (tho that may just be because they haven’t had real elections for so long).



  • Putting violent desire on the same moral plane as actual murder victims is a silly thing to do.

    Agreed, but what if not stopping the IRGC ends up causing orders-of-magnitude more suffering and deaths? (Tho, is Trump actually unleashing the IRGC because Mojtaba gives them free-er reign than Ali; and causing some Iranians to actually side with their own psychotic countrymen against the attacking foreigners? If yes, then US voters may be more harmful than Iran.)

    Would Hamas not be vastly worse than Israel if they had the same military power as Israel?

    ISIS?

    Shouldn’t intent count to prevent access to biological and nuclear weapons?





  • and then tell them to have a good day

    Might this be an extravert thing? Do extraverts enjoy being told to have a good day?

    I prefer not to, and I also don’t want to be told to smile. I’ll put up with banalities like “Hi” even when there’s no need to actually get attention, and “Thanks” when the person clearly isn’t thankful; but if asked “How are you?” I might actually answer and they probably won’t like my answer if they didn’t mean it.

    Maybe introverted people put more value in honesty and not wasting time?


  • Jack@lemmy.catoPolitical Memes@lemmy.worldJust a reminder
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    Being complicit in making the system more evil is fine for people who vote for the Ds; but if the Ds want the votes of the 41% of people who didn’t vote (some because they won’t cross ethical lines like voting for a pro-genocide, pro-omnicide, pro-capilatist party), then they need a different argument than “vote for the lesser evil again bro”, because that didn’t work against W and worked only a third of the time against Turmp. The Ds need to either give better reasons for voting for them, or they need to stop being a pro-genocide, pro-climate cascade, pro-capitalist party.


  • Jack@lemmy.catoPolitical Memes@lemmy.worldJust a reminder
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    The UK also has a FPTF voting system, yet the Lib Dems won enough votes in the past to form a coalition, and currently the 5th biggest party in parliament (Reform) is leading the polls, and the 8th biggest (Greens) is often-times polling in 2nd place. Even if you might not win the next election, you can help build something that gets the “only-ever-vote-for-1-of-the-2-leading-horses” people to also vote for it after that.

    Some people will never vote for parties that cross ethical lines like genocide, omnicidal climate change, capitalism, oligarchy… For these people the lesser-evil is still way too evil.

    “It is infinitely better to vote for freedom and fail than to vote for slavery and succeed.” - Eugene V. Debs, Appeal to Reason, 1900-10-13.

    “Wage-labor is but a name; wage-slavery is the fact.” - Eugene V. Debs, The Socialist Party and the Working Class 1904-09-01




  • Jack@lemmy.catoPolitical Memes@lemmy.worldJust a reminder
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    10 days ago

    Think of it like a trolley problem:

    • pull the R lever: more rape, fascism, genocide, omnicide, good chance your team wins;
    • pull the D lever: more oligarchy, genocide, with slightly slower omnicide, good chance your team wins;
    • pull the l, S, or G lever: reverse anthropogenic climate change, create an ethical economic system, sanction genocidal regimes, low chance your ideas win now - maybe later tho;
    • don’t pull any lever: let the other 58.63% who vote, decide.

    Edit: corrected %.



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    People who won’t vote for the Democrats don’t necessarily see the world the same way as people who do vote D. Really go have a look at https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020

    There are ethical lines some people actually won’t cross, e.g. voting for the Ds who make anthropogenic climate change worse and so are causing a mass extinction, sell weapons to people actively committing a genocide, further an economic system that rewards narcissistic sociopaths and punishes ethical people, …

    Go look at the linked graph above again. You may not agree, but understand that there are people who do, and to get these people to vote for the Ds, you need to convince them why voting for omnicidal, genocidal, greedy sociopaths is the right thing to do. The “lesser evil” argument doesn’t work on them, because if you look at the linked graph above and compare the distances between the parties, and understand there are ethical lines between the Ds and leftists/socialists/Greens/etc. they won’t cross; then it means vastly better arguments need to be put forth. Yes the Rs are psychopaths and openly racist, but compared to the slightly less (compare the distances on the graph) sociopathic Ds, then

    “It is infinitely better to vote for freedom and fail than to vote for slavery and succeed.” - Eugene V. Debs, Appeal to Reason, 1900-10-13.

    “Wage-labor is but a name; wage-slavery is the fact.” - Eugene V. Debs, The Socialist Party and the Working Class 1904-09-01

    If there are no ethical options, then activity making the world more evil isn’t something these people will do.


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    13 days ago

    If you decide not buy the omnicidal product because palm oil is an ingredient, that’s good.

    Unfortunately only a tiny fraction of people are ethical. The rest are not just unknowingly buying products containing palm oil, but are actively choosing to speed-run us towards a mass-extinction event.