When did I talk about 4chan.

Isn’t the Qanon stuff all from 4chan?

Since its plain now that people will follow any bs it sorta throws out the scrap of a possibility it had.

Some idiots believing one thing does not disprove the existence of krishna, Thor or any other God of your choosing.

Given religion wise even when I was agnostic the only possible god could not be described by any religion in existence.

That position still sounds reasonable. MAGA doesn’t change your logic.

The antisemitic sentiments expressed by Bob Vylan were …

Were what? There were none in the article.

There is a big difference between selling oil and gas and selling solar panels. One you sell continuously and the other you sell once.

That proved to you that no God exists?

I mean, we’ve seen no evidence that God interferes with human affairs, but just because he specifically didn’t interact with 4chan that’s enough for you to be sure.

Weird.

I believe what you say. I don’t believe that is what the article is saying.

I’m not attacking philosophical arguments between the 1950s and the 1980s.

I’m pointing out that the claim that consciousness must form inside a fleshy body is not supported by any evidence.

watched a guy weedwacking naked last time I was there

In case you were wondering, this is a weedwacker

There are so many fictional films referencing MKULTRA that people assume it is fiction.

I’m not saying it’s less likely. I’m saying there is a completely different reason for deepseek to exist.

The philosopher has made an unproven assumption. An erroneously logical leap. Something an academic shouldn’t do.

Just because everything we currently consider conscious has a physical presence, does not imply that consciousness requires a physical body.

It’s hard to see that books argument from the Wikipedia entry, but I don’t see it arguing that intelligence needs to have senses, flesh, nerves, pain and pleasure.

It’s just saying computer algorithms are not what humans use for consciousness. Which seems a reasonable conclusion. It doesn’t imply computers can’t gain consciousness, or that they need flesh and senses to do so.

The point I’m trying to make is that I don’t think the CCP cares about the users of deepseek mobile app when they already have an ocean of data from tiktok. That’s the real trojan horse.

Mobile access to an LLM is a similarity. The big difference between chatgpt and deepseek is the open model weights.

It smells wrong.

I was never sure if that was figurative or literal.

So why is a real “thinking” AI likely impossible? Because it’s bodiless. It has no senses, no flesh, no nerves, no pain, no pleasure.

This is not a good argument.

Bad intentions? The Chinese government Deepseek showed that the OpenAI emperor had no clothes.

Dude, you are the one inserting words like “freedom” trying to slide the conversation.

China is not worse , principally because worse is unmeasurable.

How about.

Tax rate = 1 - exp( -const x wealth )

Const is chosen to maximize tax revenues.

No one was talking about openness, we were talking about data collection.

The only way to ensure no data collection is to run locally, which requires openness.

You’re comparing online models with local models.

Correct

Local OpenAI models are also private.

They don’t exist, and privacy cannot be guaranteed.

Good thing no one said that. It’s not just America either.

So you do think that.

Most countries are significantly more free than China (and Russia and North Korea),

The word used was “worse” which is highly subjective.

and if you don’t believe that, you need to open your eyes.

Residents of “the land of the free” don’t understand irony.

Where is the ChatGPT repository?

Then why are you asking binary questions about countries

Because a highly opinionated binary statement was made about China. I’m not saying China is better than the US. I’m saying it’s not worse.