No, legally too, they will use your protest as justification if a sufficiently rowdy one cannot be exhibited. And then when your protest ceases to exist, they’ll fabricate an incident to justify escalation.

The people in charge are already fully monsters who will wield the law as needed to get their dirty work done, regardless of how peacefully you protest, regardless of how perfect a victim you make yourself, regardless of what the law says.

While we all fight over HOW to make the same goals we share happen and not much gets done, the ones who don’t care about what their actions do make their own progress because it’s easier for them to agree on how to take and destroy.

I very carefully picked social democrats and not someone closer to anarchists like council communists because I would argue that, except for the really broad strokes, we actually don’t have the same goals as social democrats. Like okay, if I gave you and a social democrat a survey with the question “Do you support an equitable and just society?” I’m sure you’d both check “Yes”, but you and the social democrat are going to have wildly different views on what constitutes “equitable”, “just”, or even “society”.

IMO the bottleneck comes from the fact that the various non-right-wing movements have organic differences that will result in different material realities depending on which groups succeed.

Yeah I’m with you there.

I like the spirit of this meme, but I don’t think that caring about people and the planet is sufficient to define a political philosophy? (IMO it is necessary though!) I.e. there are lots of social democrats who care about people and the planet just as much as we do but there’s still a massive difference between our politics.

Okay, I watched their Ted talk. The red flag for me is the clean separation of revolts into either strictly violent or strictly nonviolent. It is my view that a more careful study of the history of all the revolts labeled successful and partially successful would reveal that many if not all of those revolts succeeded because of the complementary (if not collaborative) efforts of both nonviolent and violent protests. History glorifies the nonviolent protesters because they’re easy to lionize, without any of the ethical complexities that violent protests invite.

IMO it seems like they went in looking for a hypothesis and managed to spin the statistics to justify it. I’ll look into their research as I’m sure it goes into more detail, but I’m so far not convinced.

I mean again, yeah, I’m an anarchist, and obviously not just any revolt is gonna cut it. Although instead of an election system to elect representatives in a “representative” liberal “democracy”, I think we can do a lot better than that.

It sucks that the USA is associated with the bald eagle because IMO it’s still a beautiful bird and it did nothing to deserve the association. And also for me, the fact that they sound like seagulls makes them even more relatable because it has an annoying voice just like me 😆

Yeah I’ll get around to it, although I’ve heard that claim before and I don’t disagree with the need for mass mobilization, some of which is going to be nonviolent. But IMO the nonviolent parts of the revolt need to collaborate with the violent parts of the revolt!

Becoming a domestic threat justifies implementation of curfews, and potential suspension of assembly rights for the needs of public safety.

No it absolutely does not justify that stuff. Being a threat to the powerful is not the same as being a threat to the average person.

Vietnam was successful because we were forced to attack on unfamiliar territory. You’re suggesting bringing violence to them, right?

I’m suggesting that the working class defends itself against the capitalist using a diversity of tactics, including violence if necessary and possibly a revolt, and that violence is necessary. On average, these fascist fucks don’t know our homes, our neighborhoods, our cities, or our wilderness as well as we do. I think there is a chance of winning if we organize as groups willing to fight.

We’re not talking about pulling a “Home Alone” on ICE.

I’m not against that 😈🏴

Violent resistance is a great way to get arrested or killed, scare people away from resistance for fear of their safety

Same with nonviolent resistance! Worse for nonviolent resistance! Did you see what the pigs did to those protesters in LA? All over the country during the No Kings protests?!?

and embolden fascism by turning a constitutionally protected peaceful resistance into a domestic threat.

Fascists don’t need to be emboldened. They are already fully monsters. No matter how peacefully you protest, the fascists will treat you as if you revolted.

How many people with guns do you estimate it takes to overthrow the largest military in the world by force?

Not as many as you think! Remember Vietnam?

The only way we can do that is with continued non-violent organized protest. Violence will only reduce our numbers and suppress our resistance.

I emphatically reject these claims. Both nonviolent and violent resistance is necessary, and in fact they need to collaborate. The following quote from the Black Catalyst Revolt Guide is relevant:

If we are to learn from the successful movements of the past, we can see that all successful pressure has been the collusion of the peaceful and non-peaceful aspects of the movement, such that the peaceful party can lobby the state to concede, saying to them “now see? Wouldn’t you rather deal with me than them? Sit down and make some concessions to those suffering people.” Meanwhile, the non-peaceful protesters escalate the aggression of their actions such as to put a clock on the state. Direct action should therefore not be seen as a chaotic byproduct to be avoided. It should instead be seen as a necessity as to extract outcomes for the movement. Ultimately, if the demands of the protests are not met, revolution should be the threat. In this way, we are to transform the government to our whims, not vise versa.

I mean yeah, I vibe with this, but did you mean to reply to something else? 😄

Exactly!

no u

I also wish all Canadians a very pleasant revolt against your government, but it’s not their day today 😆

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Nah fuck Russia and fuck all other world governments. I’m undermining Western culture for the love of the game 🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴

EW NO I like this flag better 🏴😈✊

We had/have/will have nothing to be proud of, ever.

Hey what book is that from?