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1·2 years agoLmfao, PiS is nuts. Btw, as a polish comrade, what is your take on Katyn? Do you agree with historians like Grover Furr that it was nazis who did it, not soviets? Or do you think soviets did it?
I love everytime Russia supposedly “poison” someone with ultradeadly chemical weapons yet they never die. Russia must have the worst hitmen ever.
Cope that “akchually Russia lost” while crying in silence
Many people will say what you say, that they are “evil genocidal mass murderers”. However, i have read a lot on this, and i have found no evidence of this. The War in Croatia and Bosnia was started by the Tudman ustashe fascists and the Izetbegovic Al Qaeda jihadists. They wanted to create an ethnically pure Croatia and Bosnia respectively, and were very clear about it. Tudman as i said was an open admirer of the ustashe (croat fascist militia that fought with the nazis in WW2, they genocided hundreds of thousands of muslims and serbs) and a holocaust denier, who openly said that muslims and serbs had to be expelled from Croatia.
Same with Izetbegovic, who had fought in the Waffen SS during WW2 and was imprisoned for it under Tito. In 1983, Izetbegovic published his “Islamic Declaration”, in which he advocated for a sharia law islamic theocracy in Bosnia, and he said this was only possible by expelling all nonmuslims, since “muslims and nonmuslims cannot peacefully coexist”. In 1983, yugoslav courts ruled the Islamic Declaration promoted chauvinism and genocide, and sentenced Izetbegovic to 14 years in prison.
This is the type of people that ruled Croatia and Bosnia, bloodthirsty fascists. You would think that this would result in a prosecution right? And yet, while the police were hunting down Milosevic and Mladic, Tudman and Izetbegovic were calmly in their homes, undisturbed, they were never prosecuted. While Tudman and Izetbegovic were genociding serbs and each other, the serbs were trying to find antifascist allies against them. If Mladic was a “bloodthirsty butcher who wanted to kill all muslims”, then why did he ally with Fikret Abdic, a muslim politician? Abdic, unlike Izetbegovic, was a secular social democrat and antifascist. He led muslim militias to try to overthrow Izetbegovic, and he proclaimed the Republic of Western Bosnia as a base to do so. This republic was allied with the serbs against the croat and muslim fascists during all of the war. Coincidentally, while Izetbegivic was never prosecuted, Abdic was immediately arrested and imprisoned for decades after the war ended. Its almost like this is a victors justice isnt it?
The serbs were only defending themselves from genocide, they didnt start that war and had no intention to “create a Greater Serbia” as the narrative goes. They were being expelled from their own houses, were they supposed to just let it happen?
Now on crimes committed by serbs. There was no genocide, this is a complete lie. However there were deportations on an ethnic basis. Was it good? Hell no! But you must understand this. You had big muslim population enclaves in serb territory. You have no way of knowing who supports Izetbegovic and who doesnt. You have to secure your territory, so you can only do 2 things. You imprison them all, which is terrible, or you send them to muslim territory, which is what they did. I agree, its terrible, but thats how war is, serbs didnt start that war, NATO and their puppets did. Besides, this was done in many other wars. Stalin did it in WW2 with ethnic groups that mass collaborated with the nazis, such as tatars or chechens, he deported them to Kazakhstan to secure the front. Now were atrocities committed? Ofc yes. But it was not a state sponsored thing, it was done by rogue units in the military and chetnik militias.
Now on the supposed “crimes” that Mladic and Karadzic committed that make up the so called “bosnian genocide”. When you hear “bosnian genocide” you think hundreds of concentration camps right? Yet, if you look into it, the “tribunal” could only prove 2 events that make up this “genocide”. The first is the Siege of Sarajevo, which was done first by the Yugoslav Peoples Army and then by the Army of Republika Srpska, and lasted 3 years. During this siege, many civilians died due to shelling. However, the serbs, since the beginning of the siege, had offered Izetbegovic to evacuate all the population, but he refused, he knew civilian deaths would help justify a NATO intervention. Yet somehow the serbs are to blame for the deaths.
The second event is the Srebrenica massacre of 1995. Now Srebrenica was a muslim enclave deep within serb territory. To avoid civilian deaths, it was declared a UN Safe Haven in 1993. UN peacekeepers were dispatched there. Their task was to protect Srebrenica from any possible attack by Ratko Mladics serb troops and to disarm the local Izetbegovic loyal muslim troops led by Naser Orics. But yet, UN peacekeepers did not disarm the muslim troops. This allowed Oric to use Srebrenica as a safe base from where to attack serb territory, since serbs couldnt go in to respond. From Srebrenica, Oric carried out hundreds of attacks on serb villages, torturing serb civilians to death with bayonets and knives, often ending with a beheading. After every new attack, the serbs would ask the UN to do their job and disarm Oric, but they refused. Oric also used UN helicopters to transport weapons from muslim territory to Srebrenica to continue his guerrilla operations.
So, after 2 years of the UN doing nothing and thousands of dead serb civilians, Mladic decided to do the job of the UN himself. He stormed Srebrenica and disarmed the muslim troops. Most of the muslim population was expelled to muslim territory, it is false that all the men were killed. Most of the dead men were soldiers. Now were atrocities committed? Ofc, but it wasnt ordered from above, much less a genocide. Coincidentally, Oric had already escaped Srebrenica by helicopter before the attack. In fact, the muslim police chief of Srebrenica at the time, has said that Izetbegovic knew the attack was coming and wanted it to happen. This makes sense since Srebrenica was the main justification for the 1995 NATO invasion of Bosnia.
Does this look like a bloodthirsty genocide to you? To me it doesnt. If you wanna read more on this i recommend the book “To Kill a Nation” by Michael Parenti and an RT documentary on Mladic ill link below.
And lets not forget the show trials against Slobodan Milosevic, Radovan Karadzic, Ratko Mladic and others. Milosevic was murdered by the EU nazis in prison, they didnt allow him medical treatment for his heart problems and he died of a heart attack. And the worst, even the fake tribunal had to admit he was innocent. That scum murdered an innocent man just for opposing US imperialism and neoliberalism.
“I love superior free western values. Russian patriots want to see their country invaded and balkanized. Yes i am a leftist, why you ask?”
-Zizek the nazi who supported the racist CIA separatist opposition in Yugoslavia (Slovenia) that broke up the country in the 90s
Yes, they seized her fathers assets. Evil stuff. I hope the piece of shit scum judge that ordered this gets tortured to death. Fucking scum.
Yep. And thank God she lives in Donetsk, away from the reach of the imperialists, because if not, you can bet she would be in prison right now, just like Pablo Gonzalez (journalist imprisoned in Poland for “spying for Russia”) or Kirill Fedorov (youtuber imprisoned in Latvia for making prorussia videos).
01·2 years agoNoone said its the same thing. But if CGTN, an official organ of the chinese state, can write an article with such blatant disgusting homophobic drivel, then its clear that homophobia is a big problem in China.
It was not a mistranslation. Read this CGTN article about this same topic in 2021:
"In December, the country’s education authorities responded for the first time to a controversial proposal raising alarm about a perceived deterioration of masculinity in Chinese boys.
In the “Proposal to Prevent the Feminization of Male Adolescents,” Si Zefu, a delegate to China’s top political advisory body, said that Chinese boys are becoming “weak, timid and low self-esteemed,” traits which he summed up in one word: feminization."
Literally rambling about “chinese boys losing their masculinity due to “sissy pants artists””. Very LGBT friendly LMFAO
Ah yes, the CPC is not homophobic when they ban “sissy men”. The WPK also isnt homophobic when they say “there are no transgenders/homosexuals in DPRK, thats a western thing”. Same goes for Laos and Vietnam, although Vietnam to a lesser degree but still.
What neonazis did they support? And yes, the Communist Party of China, Workers Party of Korea, Lao Peoples Revolutionary Party and even the Communist Party of Vietnam are homophobic nowadays, in 2022. Do you condemn those too as reactionary?
Ohhh, there we go, if you are homophobic then you are not a communist. So the strongest nonrevisionist/reformist communist party in the EU, the only strong EU communist party that has not joined NATO in its antiRussia crusade, the only EU communist party that consistently fights labor struggles for workers rights, that advocates revolution, that praises Stalin and denounces Khrushchev, is a reactionary party. Got it. I bet you love trotskyite parties that get 300 votes while spreading antiChina rhethoric.
Then i guess the USSR and the CPSU were evil reactionary patsocs. Same with Cold War era Cuba and its Communist Party. Also the modern day Russian, Belarusian, Moldovan, Lithuanian, Latvian, Estonian, and many more Communist Parties. Also the DPRK and its Workers Party. Also the Communist Party of China. Yep, they are all evil, they are homophobic, and thats the most important contradiction, forget imperialism!
Wow, and you call yourself a communist? Rejecting an entire mass movement, one of the few strong principled Communist parties that still remain today, just because of social conservatism? You are not a communist, you are a proimperialist moron, thats what you are.
Noone talking about national liberation here, we are talking about patriotism. I guess the Communist Party of Greece are reactionary patsocs then lol ¯_(ツ)_/¯
https://www.rizospastis.gr/story.do?id=209459
https://www.rizospastis.gr/story.do?id=329397
Its in greek but just use google translate.
But sure, you can just accuse me of “being an american chauvinist” i guess, even tho im a spaniard with no relation to the anglosphere whatsoever, english isnt even my native language. The truth is, as that Mao quote clearly states, that all communists must be patriots. And that doesnt mean “praising your government” or “praising your flag” or anything like that. It just means you love your country and its people. There is nothing more patriotic than being a communist, communist parties all over the world acknowledge this, in Latin America, Europe, Africa, Asia and Oceania. Its only in the USA that you deny this. My guess is because you have been brainwashed by your media and education system that patriotism is bootlicking the flag, the police, the military and the Founding Fathers. Patriotism is noone of that. Noone who advocates for capitalism is a patriot, since they are more than happy to let their people suffer in misery. This is the truth, the whole world except you recognizes it.
To add on my previous response, i think this quote by Mao Zedong from the time of the japanese invasion of China is quite relevant on this:
"Can a Communist, who is an internationalist, at the same time be a patriot? We hold that he not only can be but also must be. The specific content of patriotism is determined by historical conditions. There is the “patriotism” of the Japanese aggressors and of Hitler, and there is our patriotism. Communists must resolutely oppose the “patriotism” of the Japanese aggressors and of Hitler. The Communists of Japan and Germany are defeatists with regard to the wars being waged by their countries. To bring about the defeat of the Japanese aggressors and of Hitler by every possible means is in the interests of the Japanese and the German people, and the more complete the defeat the better. For the wars launched by the Japanese aggressors and Hitler are harming the people at home as well as the people of the world.
China’s case, however, is different, because she is the victim of aggression. Chinese Communists must therefore combine patriotism with internationalism. We are at once internationalists and patriots, and our slogan is, “Fight to defend the motherland against the aggressors.” For us defeatism is a crime and to strive for victory in the War of Resistance is an inescapable duty. For only by fighting in defense of the motherland can we defeat the aggressors and achieve national liberation. And only by achieving national liberation will it be possible for the proletariat and other working people to achieve their own emancipation. The victory of China and the defeat of the invading imperialists will help the people of other countries. Thus in wars of national liberation patriotism is applied internationalism."
Source: https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-2/mswv2_10.htm
As you see, Mao clearly states, as indicated by the “” around the word “patriotism”, that the so called “patriotism” of the imperialists is false, that not only do the invaded and oppressed have the patriotic duty to fight back, but also the working class of the invader countries has the patriotic duty to fight back against their own government, since the war doesnt benefit them either. Thus, as Mao states, “[communists] not only can be [patriots], but also must be [patriots]” and this is fully compatible with internationalism. And this makes sense, the workers of the world have the same interest, to achieve socialism and then communism, so it only follows that by fighting for the interests of your countrys workers, thus being a patriot, you are also fighting for the interests of the workers of the whole world, thus being an internationalist.
Patriotism has nothing to do with “being proud” of anything. Were the CPC and the KMT proud of anything when they started the reunification wars? Ofc not, and thats exactly why they started those wars. Patriotism is about loving your country, and, despite what fake patriots (meaning the bourgeoisie) would want you to believe, your country is made up of its people, its not an abstract idealistic idea of “America” or any other country. China was in shambles, and it was the CPCs patriotic duty to rebuild it and save the chinese people.
This idea that “you cant be patriotic of imperial core countries” and that if you do you are proimperialist is ridiculous and doesnt exist outside of the USA. If you dont believe me, read the party programmes of european communist parties and what they have to say. A good example is the Communist Party of Greece (KKE), an ML antirevisionist and very big party that led the fight against the austerity imposed on Greece by the EU after the 2008 crisis. The KKE openly says that they are patriots, and that its their patriotic duty to oppose the EU and its global imperialism. Most european communist parties say the same thing, and the few that dont tend to be the most proiimperialist liberal and eurocommunist ones.
You americans keep repeating this lie, but its false, and all you have to do is look outside your borders to see im right. Idk why you are so obsessed with this idea, maybe its a reaction to the toxic jingoism you have over there, which calls itself “patriotism” but is not. There is nothing patriotic about joining the US military and drone striking afghan children. In fact, i would say its the opposite, its every americans patriotic duty to NOT join the US military, since the only thing that allows US capitalists to mantain their power is having enough cannon fodder to fight for them in the military.
Also i dont understand what your last sentence is about, i said nothing about nationalism.
I dont know why, but many people here (mostly americans in my experience) are rabidly allergic to the word “patriotism”. They seem to believe it means “jingoism” or “reactionary nationalism”, when in reality those bourgeois ideas are completely antipatriotic and treasonous. There is nothing more patriotic than being a communist, fighting for the people of your country. How are you not a patriot if you love your people and want them to have the life they deserve, instead of the misery imposed on them by capitalism?
I would say most people here are proud patriots of their respective countries, but if you tell this to many american comrades here, theyll get up in arms about how actually patriotism is reactionary and they arent patriots, even though they are indeed patriots, they just dont admit it for some reason. It reminds me of some self described anarchists whose beliefs are basically marxism leninism, but theyll deny being MLs because “thats a bad tankie word”. Truly a mistery why. Maybe its a reaction to the pervasive jingoism maskerading as patriotism in the USA idk.
Edit: To all the americans downvoting this, please read about the Communist Party of Greece (KKE), a very based party from an imperial core country which clearly states that they are patriots and that its their patriotic duty to oppose the EU and its imperialism.
Edit 2: Here are just 2 articles from the KKEs newspaper discussing patriotism and how its fully compatible with internationalism with quotes by Lenin:
https://www.rizospastis.gr/story.do?id=209459
https://www.rizospastis.gr/story.do?id=329397
Its in greek but just use google translate.
Edit 3: Article by the Communist Party of Spain (PCE) discussing revolutionary patriotism. The PCE is quite liberal and opportunist, but even they recognize that patriotism and communism go hand in hand. How much more evidence do you need?
If supporting Russia, China, Iran, Cuba, DPRK, Syria, etc against US imperialism and wanting the US to be socialist and antiimperialist is “american exceptionalism”, then i guess im an “american exceptionalist” too. The fact that you dont even know what Maupin and Haz actually believe yet you still have an opinion on them just shows you dont actually care about what they believe, you are just looking for excuses to repeat what moron lib debate bros say about them, that they are “evil fascists/nazbols american chauvinists”.
America is a garbage country, i agree. I hate America a lot.
Of all the things you could critique of them, their supposed “preference for the middle class” is the worst you could pick. I have no idea where you deduced that they prefer the middle class. They literally ramble all the time AGAINST the middle class, saying they are “labor aristocrat urbanites” and “not true proletarians”. I personally disagree with that analysis, i think the middle class is just working class benefiting from imperialism, and once the unequal exchange from imperialism goes away (as the global south becomes socialist), they will inevitably join the revolution as proletarians, as it will be in their class interests. Many already do so now, even against their class interests.
If you americans really think you will achieve revolution by constantly attacking your fellow ML comrades because you dont like their personality/persona/behaviour, instead of joining with them to fight against your imperialist government, then i have no words. But hey, you do you, im just a spaniard, my job isnt to build socialism in the USA (although the rest of the world would highly appreciate it if you got your act together). Im totally sure calling Haz and Caleb Maupin nazbols/fascists 100 more times will bring you to socialism soon.
Wow, that must have been crazy, changing your whole worldview like that. I have not read Furrs book on Katyn yet, tho i have read his chapter on Katyn in “Blood Lies”, so i do have a general idea of the evidence on Katyn. I agree, nazis did it most likely.