Just a commie interested in city planning and writing. Always asking pesky questions!

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Joined 2 years ago
Cake day: March 26th, 2022
  • Samubai@lemmygrad.mltoGenZedong@lemmygrad.ml•I just got into the most corny argument about China with a liberal I've ever experienced. (This will be long, my apologies.) This is all real. Word for word.
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    2 years ago

    I wouldn’t engage with them without sourcing your claims, and if they source claims, breakdown their bias. Esp if it’s RFA or NED/wiki related. I would also not debate these kinds of people when they’re clearly so brainwashed and willfully ignorant. A debate then is about who is more “convincing” more than who is correct. It becomes a mind game more than a conversation. Don’t fall for their dumb mind games. Don’t participate.

    The worst part about being a leftist is that we always have to do 10x more homework than any lib. So, you can’t sound unsure or humble about what you know. It’s provable that the genocide is a fabrication. No doubt about it. And America imprisons millions of black people. It doesn’t have to hide it because the status quo doesn’t give a f-ck about black people. It also has concentration camps on the border. No need to hide it. As long as we can criminalize a minority population, liberals will concede to their oppression. America also has glorified concentration camps with casinos called reservations. No one gives a shit. Regardless of what China says or does, the facts are in their favor, and american liberals have zero authority with which to talk about genocide when they actively consent and participate in it.

    No offense but that lib “friend” or whatever is a complete loser and a hollow person if they are so sinophobic.

    “Only evil Chinese are capable of hiding genocide. We’re too good and much better than the y*llows. Our institutions our superior.”

    Is pretty much what that person was saying. And it’s a pretty horrible thing to say.

  • Samubai@lemmygrad.mltoProleWiki@lemmygrad.ml•Discussion about socialist market economy. Does socialism have commodity production? Is China a capitalist country because it has commodity production?
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    2 years ago

    How exhausting. And hostile. If you’re so convinced by yourself, then why are you even writing on this website?

    If it works and it’s not war communism, it’s revisionism and anti-marx. Got it. The CPC has done more for its people and the earth than you ever will in your life. So, come back when you run a successful revolution, and establish the largest communist and political party on Earth. You are from the imperial core, right? You got your work cut out for you.

    You could work on your social and argumentative skills. Here’s my suggestion. Read “ON THE CORRECT HANDLING OF CONTRADICTIONS AMONG THE PEOPLE” It’s by Mao Tse-tung That should help you figure out what you want to say to convince other comrades of your point of view instead of debasing yourself online.

    Edit: stop cherry-picking 🙄 Look up Guo Wengui. He is a billionaire in exile in Manhattan. Jack Ma also was openly hostile to the CPC and then he “disappeared” for three months. Like, no capitalist nation controls their billionaires so publicly. It’s clear that they only exist because the CPC finds their role useful in developing its economy. China is still a very economically modest nation. 10,500.40 USD GDP per capita.

    https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/the-larger-meaning-of-chinas-crackdown-on-school-tutoring/amp

    https://www.who.int/china/health-topics/universal-health-coverage

    http://en.people.cn/n3/2018/0504/c90000-9456411.html

    http://en.people.cn/n3/2022/0729/c90000-10128877.html

    You miss the forest for the trees. It is not any one isolated fact that makes China socialist. It’s all of them, combined. You may have your private opinion about things, but China is run by a communist party, they uphold communist ideology and seek common prosperity for their citizens. China was, before deng, a very poor, and relatively weak nation. I don’t personally agree with every single detail of the Chinese economy or society, but that’s just what happens when things exist outside of our imagination. It doesn’t fit our ideal. They are not communist Albania, they are not DPRK, or Cuba. Deng’s China had to exist in a hostile, capitalist-dominated world. It was adapt or die. The USSR had been dying and reforming into oblivion. However, I see that China is slowly rolling back capitalist reforms and influence, and seeks prosperity for their people in a democratic and revolutionary way. It’s clear capitalism is a tool of the people and not their cudgel, albeit there is a lot of work remaining to completely remove it.

    I’ve read your other comments and you are spouting the same propagandistic nonsense that RFA, RFE, and NED do. All of which are funded by CIA. You’re really going to side with Imperialist intelligence before Socialist China? I think you have plenty of unlearning you have to do. But unfortunately, I trust you will not listen.

  • Samubai@lemmygrad.mltoProleWiki@lemmygrad.ml•Discussion about socialist market economy. Does socialism have commodity production? Is China a capitalist country because it has commodity production?
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    2 years ago

    I think a case could have been made in the past, but I think it is pretty clear it is not capitalist based on the fact that:

    1. they execute corrupt businessmen and such, open hostility and control of major corporative class members.
    2. State-owned Enterprises(SOEs) are a huge part of the economy. These enterprises exist as an arm of the state and function within the global capitalist ideological context. I firmly believe that if SOEs existed without a corporative or business structure, and strictly as a nationalized corporation, they would be subject to major sanctions by the imperial core.
    3. their major achievements in social equity, and eradicating extreme poverty.
    4. The open eradication of huge sectors like the private tutoring business which was pretty much abolished overnight because it was considered exploitative of parents and children.

    Conclusion: China has had to adopt capitalist structures in order to survive within a world that would have ruthlessly crushed it otherwise. To that extent, China has consistently used such structures in a practical purpose and has not shown signs of wavering in any sense away from socialism. In fact, China has been enhancing socialist structures of economic control and political practice. Even going so far as to encourage the development of Marxist parties and theory around the world. Therefore it is not capitalist. I would argue that their development is an existential threat to capitalist ideology as a brutal and outdated form of organizing society, governments and economies.

    I forgot to add that this is what I have observed and studied as an outsider. Please feel free to correct me or add any details that I have missed. I also forgot to mention that their 95% approval rate of the CPC is consistent with the idea that the party should serve the people and not the bourgeoisie. A fact that is in firm alignment with Marxist and Leninist principles.

  • Samubai@lemmygrad.mltoDeath to NATO@lemmygrad.ml•S4A's Deranged Ultra-Left Tirade Continues...
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    2 years ago

    I’m glad you bring this up. I’ve been thinking about S4A. I’m all mixed up about how to feel about S4A. I can’t tell if he has a point. The biggest red flag is the lack of support for China that I see from them… At the same time, I think he has a legitimate concern with Russian state support of Dugin or whatever. I don’t think he has an honest opinion ab imperialism.

    Also, is whether or not to support Russia’s Special Military Op really THAT important as to how to move forward as communists? Personally, I’m starting to think it doesn’t really matter as a source of division. It’s a battle that needn’t be fought between communists(is it worth a global, opportunist/ultra split?). I’d say no.

    I’d say this war doesn’t concern communists. I’d be happy to hear another take.

    I’d say the danger here is chasing a red-herring, wasting time and energy in a nation that doesn’t share our values or outlook, regardless of their importance as a sovereign nation.

    The main reason I support this war is the opportunity it opens for communists abroad, mainly by weakening America. I think China and Russia have been shoved together and have realized they benefit a lot more from their friendship than “the west.” If the western powers weren’t run by buffoons, Russia might’ve pivoted west.

    I don’t see how anybody could think Russia was not backed into a corner by NATO and US, however, I think we should be cautious with full support for Russia. They could behave in a way we don’t expect, since they are not guided by our ideology. Therefore, we have a blurry understanding of how they might behave. I think there is a risk that Russia could take things too far with Ukraine. I couldn’t define too far. But, they might pivot to more bourgeois nationalist tendencies. It’s possible, maybe unlikely, but that’s kind of my point. I don’t think we can really know, so we should hold a tentative outlook on Russia.

    I have my private reasons for supporting Russia beyond what I laid out, but it’s not more than indirectly related to a communist revolution.