there are many different types of zombies, and since they arent real theres no ‘single source of truth’

in the 28 Days Later series they are not undead, they are hyper rabies infected people.

In some series it a magical or spiritual afflicition (hell ran out of room so the dead roam the earth)

In some series its a biological pathogen, so some kind of virus or fungus that takes over the body and is centrally controlling the brain.

but by doing this weird algo speak censorship dodging we are proliferating it

Thats interesting! And my translation addon says it translates to “Marius”

It is literally the only point Im making

Its the only point Im making, you just want there to be a murder law more than you want to spare innocent people from being executed

The reason to abolish the death penalty is to spare the innocent a wrongful execution, not to ‘prevent a hitler’

No it should be abolished entirely. To allow it to be used in any circumstance is to accept it will be use against the innocent. The only way to be sure innocent people are not wrongfully executed is to stop executing people entirely

Once again you are focusing on punishing the guilty and not sparing the innocent. If we want to execute cartel bosses we will also execute innocent people. the only way to be sure the death penalty is not used erroneously is not use it at all.

What? No, the death penalty should be abolished everywhere.

arthur

and yet the death penalty that exists today and is used today HAS killed innocent people. You know how we can prevent that? stop executing people.

Because every moral argument that can be applied to the death penalty can also be applied to imprisonment.

No I disagree. The goal is simple and specific: stop wrongful executions.

You can say “well also other stuff is bad” sure, thats not the point here. the point is that we make ONE change and save lives. Stop executions. No other changes are required. The system, the facilities, the employees, everything else already exists to facilitate this.

So while there are MANY other improvements that can be made to the justice system this is ONE SINGLE SIMPLE change that WOULD ABSOLUTELY save lives.

Why havent we done it?

I dont care about costs. This is about preventing wrongful executions. I cannot accept the arguement that say “well, its expensive to prevent the state from accidentally executing the wrong person” Too bad, thats the cost of justice. Prison is a punishment for the guilty, no one should be murdered by the state.

So you are saying that because murder happens the state should also get to do it?

The goal is to prevent wrongful executions and the solution is remarkably simple, stop executing people entirely. Nothing else has to change and we save lives.

Because we do not need to execute people, but we do need to imprison some.

Why is it that when I say ‘we shouldnt kill people’ you say ‘then why even lock them up?’

What I’m saying is that every moral argument against the death penalty can also be applied to life imprisonment.

So you ARE equating living life in confinement with literal death. This is where we disagree. Death and imprisonment are not at all the same or equal.

Imprisonment sucks, yes, but thats part of a crime and punishment system. Death does not need to be part of that system. How hard is that to accept?

nothing is ever 100% accurate 100% of the time, that’s impossible.

EXACTLY. So while we need a system to punish and reform criminals we do not need to execute. Thats just not necessary and we can absolutely operate without it. We can ensure that we are not executing innocent people by not executing anyone.

It is not absolute inaction. It is sparing the innocent because the govt cannot be trusted.

Thats a slippery slope that is common in these discussions. Im saying the death penalty shouldnt exist, prison is still important for society. We just cannot trust the government or any legal system to hand out executions. The ONLY way to be sure innocent people are not executed by the death penalty is to not have one at all.

Its pretty simple.

And yet there are ways to deal with that yourself if you choose that exit, the govt should not be able to make that choice for you. The key here is taking away the govts right to murder its people just because it made an oopsie

Keep the perspective here: You are arguing that ‘prison can really suck so the govt should be allowed to execute people it says are guilty’

Right because mob justice has always been free from error as well