I thank you for your answers,

I kinda understand, on the debt part. I am quite bored. I feel like i will answer the same thing again and again. Capitalism is wasteful due to accumulation. Spending go to war and rich instead of public good. Pension included. Debt can be cancelled, money is already not connected to anything. The debt from the EU bank is non-existent money.

Fuck, planet burn, we are slaves. Working all day for pity wages does not make you free. You can feed people for free for so little money and work

Whatever politics do, starving people while some are stupidly rich is stupid. Food is getting expensive, farmers are often below the poverty wage. Who gets the money ? Distributor center, so working in a distributor center has decent wages ? No silly ! The value he gets by buying low, selling high and underpaying workers goes to the guy who owns the company. So he can be happy while millions are skipping meals. This injustice makes me rage.

No amount of debt or anything will change that fact. If debt is so so important why the fuck macron added 1000 billions while giving tax break to already rich peoples! How is that possible!

It will be the same as always ! Make the poor pay disguised in pretty words. And in the end, a country cannot go to bankeroute, it does have assets for sale, an army for example. Hey poor, go kill each other, the armament industry needs some reason to get some cash flow. It actively participate to a genocide, killing children, mother and father that are civilian? shhh, it will drop the stock, do not use the term genocide.

I am sorry, but when a nation is incapable of giving fucking basic education to its children, taking care of the poor. When a nation willingly makes everyone more miserable, It has no right to exist !

Give me food and a place. It can be shared, it doesn’t matter, it is already the case as young people will not own anything. I will take care of the elderly, i will teach young people for free ! We already do so for less than a place to sleep and food. Off with the middle man!

Pensioners do that already ! All those who are still able, work. Often for free. They work because they can help others. Because it is an activity. Productivity is through the roof these days. To maintain our civilization, we could fucking work three hours a day. And do so much more !

I am sorry. This expression of rage will make reading more difficult. Capitalism was a system of sharing value. Accumulation, everything as a commodity and private property make anything more miserable.

Some economies, in dire circumstances, printed a best before date on bills. You could not accumulate, you would need to spend. It worked incredibly well. But as soon as things get better. accumulation was ok again. In dire time, enterprise tax on gain was 90% in france. Oh dire time ahead, better tax thoses rich. Yeah yeah yeah, It will not change everything, but could you imagine that only the zucman taxe and such will bring 57 Billions ! 15 billion with not even taxing 2% of their wealth!By year ! If they leaves, it stay during 5 years. Imagine how much money could be recovered in fiscal paradise ! You are right ! Jean luc Melonhead is on to something.

I thank you for your reading and critique.

I do not think asking for basic education in a country such as france is too much. I believe that it is the least, the absolute bare minimum. The seventh largest economic power cannot provide teachers to students ? It is too much to ask for it ? i feel that at least strange.

So we are kinda agreeing that it is where the money goes to what that is the heart of the problem. Here goes politics.

i do not want to assume your position, i m pretty left. i do not have the feeling that talking about equality among humans, solidarity and cooperation, class struggle and genocide will be important for you. Not that you don’t care at all.

However, economics seems important to you, ok. Far-right Le Pen showed in a quite funny press conference their plan to make 15.1 billions of economy by fighting immigration. The details of the plan are absolutely absent. To a journalist asking for details because the same plan from last year was 13 billion he answered “i do not have the details but the numbers are solids” And watching the Medef debate, whatever billionaires said will be their plan.

Macron made a 10 year term. To the debt he added 1000 billion. Yet schools, hospitals, public services, roads are in worse shape than ever. Where did the money go? He assumes “une politique de l’offre”, a political position favoring offer rather than demand. Which from any political point of view sounds stupid? An enterprise does not create jobs. It tries to create the least jobs possible to keep increasing margin and profit. If a pencil factory suddenly floods the market of its pencil, the price falls, or simply doesn’t sell. You just give money to the rich… because? Sanofi cut jobs it received money to keep. No consequences. If you have another view on that, please, you will genuinely really make me happy.

Leftist Jean-luc Melonhead (love the term) sees things differently. He sees an importance in ecology and housing prices. There is a demand. By spending in ecology, you create jobs because you will need skilled worker to adapt france. You create jobs and you have direct materials conditions. More houses, more renewable electricity, insulated houses, more teachers.

Macron just makes the rich richer in a zombie economy without improving public infrastructure, lives, comfort in any way. Quite the opposite. In the end nothing will stay.

55% of gdp is by popular consumption, Melonhead proposal to increase salaries is a way to increase economic well being, consumption and government money because taxes are proportional to your revenue.

The difference between a high and low revenue. Is the ability to accumulate wealth. Poor receive and immediately spend. they contribute 100% of their wealth to the economy. Rich have the same living basic need as the poor (they are all humans) yet, they prefer to keep it for themself. To accumulate without limit to absurd numbers. They contribute the less to the economy. If billionaires become the poorest millionaire. He will live exactly the same life.

And i am back to politics in general. Because democracy is the expression of the need of the majority. What peoples want ? Good education, houses, healthcare, that after breaking your back in a life of labour, you can finally live old and broken but in peace.

I love that women have the right to vote, work and acces to the bank. I love weekend, i love that a day of work is 8 hours not 16. I love that children go to school not in the mines. I love that healtcare is accessible to everyone. If you can easily end suffering, would you do it ? I think so. France had all thoses right by violently protesting, national strike and fighting. Violence is forcing children to study in conditions that are detrimental to their health and future in a country that abandoned healthcare. Violence is repressing mostly calm legitimate protest while claming to be tolerant country.

At the end of the day, it serve no purpose to be against the right of others. You are thoses others.

I am quite sorry xD at the end in my politics everything is linked, values included. I thank you for your answer. And i believe you see the problem in my reasoning, please express it for i do not know. And i wanna learn.

Listen here, for a minute, just a bit, i just wanna offer to you why they are doing this.

This is what they want. The poorer the neighborhood, the more this is true in a country with a slogan like " liberty, equality, fraternity"

• in winter, classes go down to 8°C, in summer 35°c. How can they study?
• they do not have enough chairs and tables, some students have to stay up, or sit on the floor. How can they take note?
• Schools are crumbling down, it is literally unsafe and unsanitary. wtf france ?
• They do not have enough teachers. It is common that if the math teacher is in maternity leaves or is in burnout it is not replaced for periods up to 6 months. Wtf, how can you learn anything ?
• parcoursup is a semi-automated system that allows or not someone to have access to university. It is racist, stupid and no one can explain how it works or what to do to be ranked higher. A student famously submitted a brownie recipe and got accepted. wtf ?

So ok, the situation is criminal. Politics make budgets cuts on a génération future in a cut troat job market. They are protesting and they are right. About violence, they send letters, videos, journalists, unions, syndicats, rapports, they manifested peacefully for years on end. You only hear of it because they burned a trashcan and the media love “violence”. Some lost eyes, hands and teeth. You cannot slap your child in france. But you can have police force boxing them, running through them with a car and tears gazing while they are sitting peacefully. They do not even block the road, they cannot vote or strike, they block the place where they cannot study because they cannot study and they are right and repressed for that.

I am proud of them.

Oh and for the lack of money, it is a political decision too. More than 5% of PIB go to enterprises. Most of them are not regulated or tied to any conditions. For example sanofi got a lot of help to keep jobs in research. They got the money, and then, cut all the jobs based on research. It is not an isolated story. Billionaires got 50% richer in 10 years so for the poor billionaires, they removed a tax on wealth. something like 1% of your personal wealth (no enterprises). Another thing, entreprises income were taxed by 50% in 1985. In 2022, it is 25%. For war, papal coming or entreprises, they money is here. For schools, hospital, firefighting, poverty fighting or ecology nothing.

Sorry, it is a bit long. You can feel my rage and resentment in this text. You do whatever, i will not change you. I m just feeling lost. So are they, kids are not alright and we know it. The futur is shit. In France 1/3 have recurrent and lasting suicide thought and 1/7 tried to end their life. They do not even have 18 years old. When you listen to them they are not stupid, they speak very well, though are well organized and what do they tell us and we don’t listen?

• rich are getting richer and poor poorer, it is not normal,
• there is a genocide in gaza and they are treated as if they are crazy ones for telling that.
• We will reach the worst 2050 ecology scenario in 2030, and when people say that, they add, “i hope the younger generation will do something”. DO SOMETHING NOW AND AT LEAST LET THEM PROTEST THEN !
• Rise of fascism and far right by television, young and not only them sing “we are all antifascist” They want hope and a futur, they will have war and inequality.

I do not appreciate discord but you have your reasons. They are valid! I wish you luck.

I did check a bit the conversation we were having. I love that we are nitpicking on how to do better while being aligned so much, it bring hope !

Go talk and expand our ideas ;) Use every tool that feel good to you. Acts are superior than principles. Keep in touch, stay safe, have fun.

I m happy in this safe place and my energy is focused on other projects but if you ever need help in self-hosting, open source or anything, ask and i could at least redirect you ;)

Gnostic christian are called “thoses without kings”

They follow jesus teaching and authorize themself to interpret the bible by themself.

they follow such principles as

• sharing
• do not respect ceremonies as “these are made by man for god and not by god for man” (jesus)
• accepting other sexuality
• accepting free love and even encouraging them
• women have the same role as man
• preachers are sometimes chosen randomly
• preachers are sometimes rotated to be sure everyone can preach
• woman preaches as well
• everyone can access a preach be it from their religion, another or not at all AND talk

HERETICS HERETICS !!!

for a bit of context, the jesus teachings have some truly emancipator and somewhat revolutionary shit in it. Follow god because it is a god of love. Do not because you are afraid of it. Tolerance: “those of you who never did evil throw the first stone, nobody throws a stone, i do not condemn you, DO NOT CONDEMN YOURSELF, go and don’t do evil” anti-rule, healing people during sabbat.

The problem is the church. For accessing such a beautiful message you will be put in a machine that will destroy you and others. Wars, exterminations, peoples burnings “love each other” included especially people you did not agree with! “turn the other cheek” for fuck sake

Of course those gnostics groups do not follow every other principle. Just like modern day anarchists do not follow exactly the same principles as each other but they can work together in surprising ways.

my sources are wikipedia and a french video on a leftist media from someone who is not a historian but exégète (he re-interpret history) They try to be as exact as possible. It is from a series that is called “the empire never ended” on blast.

He does that because the French have something called “national roman” it is how history is teached or talked about that glorify authority like no other. (especially in far right-circles, but they own the media so…) Even when from an historian standpoint it is stupidy manifest. “The king extended the limit of the frontiers! he is so good ! killing millions, raising taxes, engrenging revolt that he then has to calm… by killing them all”, “no woman could resist his charm ! he is so good! He literally never bathes, all say he stink, think about what happen if they tried to resist stupid fuck”!

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https://www.therockcocks.com/the-rock-cocks/page-1

well, i am sorry, if you perceived it that way. i know for sure that your way of perceiving the world is more nuanced than that. So am i, but I’m sorry if it didn’t come as such.

No dousing anyone in gasoline is not ok, i mean wtf ? But it does not represent the movement as a whole.

If someone got drugged and rapped at a festival against genocide. Obviously it does not represent the movement. But you can be sure that countries where solidarity with Palestine is classified as terrorist will use the rape case against the movement.

Here it is the same, and in the context of violent repression, crass inequality, provocations. They have (teachers AND students) used every non-violent use and every method that exists. They have been mocked by the power in place telling them to stop being capricious, stop acting like children. Well of course violence will happen.

Mostly against trashcan, which is not violence but degradation. You cannot (in the legal term) be violent against something that is not alive.

And yes, in the 400+ schools that are in blocus which represent a consequent mass of people, some will be stupid. Is the movement a bunch of stupid people? what are they fighting for ?

• More teachers and personnel (some courses cannot be given for months because they lack a teacher)
• classes that are insulated and do not fall apart
• the end of a discriminatory “automated” sorting system at the end of school

wtf they do not have that yet?

Yeah it is important to document the movement, every time people talk about violence (it is never the police brutality, it is 4k though), people do not talk about what the movement as a whole is doing/wanting.

No they are not responsible if someone does X, they are even accounts where they are against. They face oppression, they cannot vote nor strike, they do not even block the road, just their school. They manifest peacefully (which is a constitutional right), the power in place chooses repression(wtf why? against what?). Will it stay peaceful? i think it will be quite impressive if it does.

And a happy yellow jacket comes back !

There is a lot of inequality.

It is not like “based on the number of students you have, you will have to equality share X amount of €”

Some school are “prestigious” so they have a lot more money from the government and from rich parents that can pay for it.

The lowest income school in paris have a lot more than the highest income school in saint-denis (poor city). The problem ? France is a Republic, with a devise that is “freedom, equality, fraternity”

So when rich student “strike” in solidarity (yes it happen, they remember they are human) rich teachers are against that. One could also argue about abuses in the teachers staff.

And obviously, raging people are gonna rage and see any figure of power as an enemy.

So long story short, it is complex but very marginal. The mainstream media in france is owned by 5 billionaires. So yes, EVERY LITTLE THING that you will hear about will be detrimental to the movement. It was the same with the yellow jacket that comes back tomorrow if my info is right.

remember what students (and teachers) want, they are asking for it for month and you only hear about it because they make noises!

they want more teachers that have a correct salary, more staff, the end of a discriminatory “automated” sorting system (parcoursup). They want school that are insulated and do not fall apart.

WoW ! They are asking so much ? what do you mean they do not have that yet ?

Talk about the violence to be slowly cooked day after day for weeks at 35°C and yeah, you will develop a political consciousness very fast.

ohhh there is so much more videos like thoses! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMxTux12QKE

you choose a calm one.

yeah, They can not vote, they can not strike. So they just block their own studying place in solidarity with the teachers.

They want more teachers, they want classes that are insulated from heat and cold (they had to get to school and “study and learn” under 35°C, and 8°C in the winter) They want the end of the “automated” sortage system (parcoursup) that will impact their lives.

Mainstream media only show burning trashcan. The large majority is very very peaceful. They chant the national hymn. Still police is violent against fucking children, gazing them, arresting some of them without justification just to break morale, strangling them, charging them, accelerating with a car through them while gazing by the windows.

and that is happening while the “yellow jacket” movement is coming back. election are coming in six months so the elite are hoping that will call people down… but it is not likely.

addendum: the justice minister, the police minister and the education minister had a reunion about “stopping the movement dead in the tracks” not like “finding solution”, or trying to understand. So take every number with a grain of salt and i recommend watching independent media like Mediapart.

Ah, je l’avais pas celle la ! bien vu ! Bordel, la manif pour tous en plus.

Extrait de l’article n°1

"On a un parti qui est fasciné par la violence, qui appelle à la sédition et même qui essaie d’organiser l’insurrection. Ce qui se passe aujourd’hui devant les lycées, c’est la répétition générale de ce qui pourrait se passer en 2027 si Mme Le Pen gagnait », a jugé, jeudi 1er octobre, Bruno Retailleau sur BFM-TV-RMC

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Le candidat LR ne s’est, en revanche, pas exprimé sur les revendications des lycéens concernant la dégradation de leurs conditions de scolarité.

Boah en gros ouin ouin lfi est mechant parce que x. Et les jeunes qui manifestent en brulant 2 poubelles car ils sont pas entendu ?

mais lfi est mechant ! Et je veux pas que l’extrême droite rencontre la moindre résistance !

et le salaire des profs ? les conditions deplorables de mourir de froid l’hiver et de chaud l’été (35°C pour des gosses cet été… c’est DANGEUREUX de faire court quand même) Les bâtiments qui tombent en ruine ? Les classes supeuplés ? Et les jeunes manifestent pour une éducation de qualité, soyons fier de leurs caractères et de leurs lucidité.

La violence, c’est d’empêcher les jeunes d’apprendre, la violence c’est de les forcer a rester des heures dans des fournaises incapables de se concentrer, la violence c’est de bafouer liberté, égalité, fraternité. La violence c’est envoyer des flics tabasser des gosses(!) au lieu de répondre de la situation. Un gosse avec le crâne fracturé a été arrêté a 9:00, il a pu voir un médecin a 15:00.

MERDE!

LFI est pas responsable de la situation qui a déclenché cela. Bruno retailleau est/a été au pouvoir ! Il aurait pu dire “nous avons entendu ces jeunes, ces débordements ne sont plus nécessaires, des solutions sont a l’etude” et ainsi calmer le jeu ! NON, osef des jeunes.

EDIT: Pardon, ce type m’est particulièrement insupportable, ses valeurs n’ont pas de principes. Ton commentaire était bien plus modéré que moi xD. Ca devait sortir, ce n’est pas contre toi.

Thanks a lot ;) i will look up to that ;)

shit GTNH stickers ? i didn’t knew thoses existed. Love yours antifa sticker. Any collective i could help by buying some ? Or any cool collectives to check ? stickers or else ?

Please could you share some of your trad irish drinking worker songs to a fellow crewman ?

credit the author at least. hamster_fragment.https://donmai.moe/artists/193029.html he/she/it(?) have a tons of dark example like thoses sometime funny, sometimes historics, sometime intricate.

Well, There is a range of options in my opinion. They range from immediate to long term futur. They range from achievable alone to mass mobilization.

• Reading how peoples sustained themselves during ww1 et ww2 ( start a garden, adopt chicken) but it does take more time and cost reduction is not immediate

• Having a library of thing is a way to help community project like a community garden to do the trick

• work in a cooperative, everyone is owning the workplace and having equal pay. It is not that we don’t produce enough, it is that capitalism is wastefull, the boss of your boss make 20 times what you do, is he 20 more productive that you?

• Help friends and family, they often have things in surplus, than can reduce waste and give away things for free as they exchange it

• Ask for help, you are not the only one struggling, like, we all are, i mean wtf. We all are struggling, we are not angry enough. You will be surprised what peoples are willing to do to help a stranger.

• you are struggling against a system that is quite happy to fine with you struggling, you know what will offer better pay and conditions? Join the army! You can die and torture yourself forever defending a system that put you in such a conditions in the first place.

• mobilize for political change, be creative! As long as you are 75% in accord with a movement, join it but do not compromise if the output is against the right of other people (except power structure like state, richs, or obviously privilegied people) lets be more equals !

Could you give us the name of such a wonderful song ? the only i know is from medine “venom” (french rap)

Thanks a lot ! I learned so much things. Thanks for the precise references.

It is a solution but i am not sure the supply will last. It can only dwindle.

Your arguments are sounds and valids. I have another solution to a problem, thanks again !

Thanks ;) I learned something!