buttermilk

I am here in good faith too, I just don’t think I share your belief that capitalism can be brought to heel when it has almost unfettered power and every incentive in it is towards the sort of system we have now. And that transferring that weight to an entire populous of ethical consumers just doesn’t bare fruit.

Private wealth that enriches an ownership class to a much greater degree than obtainable through working.

I guess I just don’t see much value in opposing billionaires when liberals want to leave in place the fundamental tool they use to perpetuate their control.

Indeed! So if liberalism as an ideology, wants to keep billionaires, don’t you think it’s a little counter to that logic to say liberals and leftists need to come together and not dismantle the primary driver of fascism?

Yes, including capitalism, it’s primary driver.

I think the objection that myself and other leftists would offer, is that the fight is against fascism is fundamentally a fight against, white supremacist, capitalist, patriarchy, and that capitalism is in many ways a progenitor and protector of the other two. The wealth generated by capital, captures regulatory bodies, manipulates voters, generates disinformation, all in service of perpetuating itself. A notable example is in your own comment, the power of the capital used by the fossil fuel industries to influence elections, buy political power, misinform voters, because the base scientific reality is that their industry cannot function in a world that is inhabited by people.

So for fossil fuels and tangentially, billionaires, the global issues cannot be tackled without recognizing that the core of capitalism is itself a vital part of the building of fascism.

To re-frame this in hopes of giving insight, imagine we were talking about racial justice in America, and one party was arguing that with various other ways to fight inequality, the police as an institution, have fundamentally rotten, and end goal needs to be abolition. The other party argues that we need to come together and stop the right wing fascists like proud boys, et al, that support white supremacy. So when you say we need to come together and tackle the issues without dismantling the tools that are use to create them, it sounds hallow.

I’m struggling slightly to understand your point. Are you saying this in contrast to the point made in the post, as in stand together as leftist and liberals in the fight against fascism?

I don’t think even the most radical anti-intellectual property folks think that you should get nothing for content that you produce, just that it shouldn’t be ad-driven, privacy invading, hellscape that is silicon valley’s method. Whether or not a donation driven online content system is sufficient for most is really the question.