The crumbs they leave to the proletariat

No, it’s actually pretty lukewarm to anyone who has been able to engage with critiques of liberalism without jumping into defense mode these past few years.

Have you done any kind of investigation to confirm this? Cause as somebody that is organizing in the real world I can say that you are making some really big assumptions that seem to be based in a very specific population, if they are based in reality at all, which does not begin to account for the 2/3rds of folks in this country that, for whatever reason, whether or not you agree with their values or recognize the validity of their tactics or whatever, did not cast their vote for Trump.

None of what you’re saying has proved to be true in my experience. Not everyone is as online as you are. You cannot allow internet narratives to make you so apathetic that you defeat yourself before you’ve even started.

America isn’t special or exceptional. What we are doing has been done before. What Trump is doing has been done before. History has given us a roadmap for how to move forward. Yes it has to be fluid, yes it’s going to look different in each and every locale, yes some groups and tactics are going to struggle more than others to find their footing, but the movement is making steady progress and gets stronger with each person that struggles alongside us. Minneapolis has just accomplished the largest general strike in 80 years, in subzero temperatures, literally as you’re sitting around in the comfort of your desk chair talking about how what they’re doing is impossible and too online to happen in the real world.

I’m so sick of this keyboard defeatism. It’s like watching a football fan talk like they know more about how the game should/can be played than the coach and players on the field. If you aren’t on the ground struggling with us, if you aren’t plugged into any of the orgs making this progress possible, please kindly do not speculate as if you know your head from your ass when it comes to the state of US organizing.

Not exactly.

When 3.5 percent of a population goes beyond protest to engage in peaceful civil disobedience and noncooperation, these actions disrupt the system and force governmental change.

I don’t think no kings has done anything of the sort. They get a lot of bodies in the same place but to my knowledge they don’t push for anything beyond that.

If i live near a border what would stop from just like… going over there and buying one and driving it back like nothing happened

Whether it’s happening quietly or out in the open the effect is the same. Look at all the anti-trans laws that were passed under Biden. The rhetoric is only thing that has changed.

Some nebulous idea of “we have to overthrow capitalism” is far less useful than you think it is. An organized movement to carry such a thing out, which is built through rallying around specific issues; like the build out of AI and data centers, ICE, war, whatever it is that effectively lies bare the contradictions inherent to one’s life under capitalism and drives folks to organize; is the actual action that comes from “all the whining” that you are currently whining about.

Excuse your nihilism however you want but your feelings are not reality and are every bit as useless as you’re trying to portray the resistance to data centers is. What you’re doing here is rejecting the revolutionaries for the revolution… you can’t just skip to the fun part without having done the work to get there.

Just saying we don’t want AI and want to get rid of the datacenters in fact does nothing to solve the problems that created the material conditions for their build out and does nothing to solve the core issue which is imperial capital.

Neither does burying our heads in the sand on what imperial capital is building out this technology to do? Sitting around talking on a social forum about any given topic isn’t likely to solve anything, that’s not what we’re here to do in the first place. Yes it would be great if AI solved animal testing. It would be great if it solved mechanized unicorns that shoot out rainbow dust. Perhaps under communism we could develop it to do those things.

But that’s not the system we live under, nor is that primary motivation for the powers that are developing it, nor does it account for the vast majority of the adverse effects that are already taking shape. That is what we are resisting when we resist these data centers.

You seem to be taking this weird slippery nihilistic “no ethical consumption under capitalism” angle to say, what exactly? The data centers, water consumption and water contamination, new expansion of fossil fuels, insufficient power infrastructure, data collection and surveillance, and so on; that’s all okay actually and we should just let it happen because of blind optimism that there might be some positive side effects after the fall of capitalism?

The forces of capital would not be banking literally their entire future on this if it wasn’t a massive expansion of their power. How are we “solving the core issue” by letting imperial capital expand its dominance in this way, not only handwringing about putting up any kind of fight but actually daydreaming about how this expansion could actually maybe hopefully solve our ethical dilemmas for us like the good salesmen are saying it will?

China doesn’t seem to have this problem. They didn’t privatize their grid and do 0 maintenance for 50 years.

Ok? Again, this seems like a non-sequitur and you’re just avoiding having to actually consider the ethics and political reality at play here because there’s a specific thing you want out of it.

reminds me of this reptilian soul farm theory

The thing is, we didn’t need data centers for what AI is already doing. And if AI is going to replace animal testing; it won’t be an LLM that does it, it’ll be a more specialized application of machine learning. Its model will be trained on the human genome, or on molecular biology, rather than language, and that kind of machine learning was already around before LLMs. And again. You don’t need even one data center to do that, much less do you need one or more in every state. The whole model could be run in a single cabinet.

Remember that LLMs can’t create anything new, they can’t even really verify their own reasoning, they can only emulate what already exists by amalgamating whatever it was trained on in whatever way is most likely to please the user.

The way these data centers are being quickly and quietly rammed through; I think they will more likely serve the surveillance state (see palantir) than they will push forward medical technology.

Armchair economist here. I think that would be a massive hit to US dollar supremacy, no? The main reason USD is considered a stable and safe to use as a “reserve currency”, as I understand it, is because of trust in the U.S. government and its ability to meet its financial obligations.

If the court rules this way, wouldn’t it be a debt owed to the tariff payers? What would stop these capital owners, especially the wealthy and respected ones with lots of lawyers, from going after the US government for non-payment? Wouldn’t the government essentially have to declare bankruptcy to say they can’t pay back the money that was taken via illegal tariffs?

If nothing else; a government that seizes capital, by means considered illegal under its own enforced code of laws, and then refuses (or is unable) to give back what is rightfully owed; this reads to me like a major breach of trust with capital owners that trade in the US.

This is partly a reply to @thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net’s comment, I just keep replying in the wrong place lol

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I have them tagged as “comrade” so it balances out

“Homicide by cop” is a new one

“eventually marginalize” and mass murder/incineration are two very different things wtf

You also make it costly to the hotels as the non-ICE patrons find somewhere to sleep that isn’t hosting ICE agents and having noise demos as a result.

As much as it is about raising ice agents’ blood pressure, it’s also about disrupting business for the hotels that quarter them. They can do that from any side of the building.

To be a bit more constructive, these might be the words you were looking for?

depression is not a(n) symptom illness but a consequence symptom

Community. Walkable neigborhoods. Culture. Access to high quality (prepared) food. Treatment of chronic illnesses. Free time to do things that make one feel happy and fulfilled.

Drugs only make it easier to cope with a world that makes these inaccessible to the average person. They individualize and pathologize a burden that would otherwise have to be addressed systemically by the ruling class that hopes to have a functional and passive working class.

edit: … I realized something, looked it up, and wouldn’t you know it; here in the US, good old Reagan closed down the psychiatric hospitals less than a decade before Prozac hit the market (antidepressants existed before that; since the 1950s; but were mainly only marketed to doctors who would prescribe them to women with ““housewife syndrome”” for the purposes of domestic labor). That’s not to say that psychiatric hospitals are any less of a band-aid solution, I just think it’s rather telling that they were closed at a time that folks with clinical depression (and probably other illnesses) could simply be given a pill and put back to work.

Why would I “back up” something that is not in dispute? You are more than capable of doing independent verification if you feel doubtful of any of my claims.

In fact I would suggest you verify even information you largely agree with, or at least have a reasonable level of confidence that it won’t be totally invalidated by a simple internet search when you repeat it. That’s the standard I and a good number of us here hold ourselves to, which is why folks that don’t do that tend to have quite an adversarial experience when they find themselves in your place.